Abstracts Vs Skyfathers

Originally posted by carver9
Did you just say that Wendigo isn't high class 100? It has been stated on panel that his strength match Hulk.

So Umar didn't state that Hulk destroyed her realm? I'm about to make you look stupid.

And base Hulk isn't even class 100. Wendigo's even listed as a class 75-er.

I might be wrong. But I checked over Incredible Hulks 634 3 times and never saw Umar mention anything about her realm getting destroyed. Maybe that's from a tie-in issue from another Hulk series?

Originally posted by zopzop
I did already when I replied to Colossus Big-C 😄
Check the b) section scans.

You're right there. Still doesn't explain how Galactus who is superior to fp Tyrant is weaker than dp Tyrant.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And base Hulk isn't even class 100. Wendigo's even listed as a class 75-er.

I might be wrong. But I checked over Incredible Hulks 634 3 times and never saw Umar mention anything about her realm getting destroyed. Maybe that's from a tie-in issue from another Hulk series?

You're right there.

Base Hulk is a 100 tonner and this has been proven on numerous of occasions with one of those occasions having him lifting up a 150 billion ton mountain in a calm state.

Wendigo is a 100 tonner...high class 100.

Umar stated him destroying her realm in the next issue. I posted the scan from a preview of the next comic.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
You're right there. Still doesn't explain how Galactus who is superior to fp Tyrant is weaker than dp Tyrant.

He wasn't. There was no "DP" Tyrant (when he resurfaced after his original defeat by Galactus). He said so himself; That he hid in the darkest corners of the universe till he had amassed enough power to reclaim his empire. Also, we don't know how Galactus beat Tyrant. It could have been experience and skill (Galactus) overcoming raw power (Tyrant).

Keep in mind his original abilities included getting power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe. Tyrant apparently learned to siphon power from victims he capture (That's why when he fought other beings he didn't go for the quick kill. He wanted them alive so he can drain their power.) and how to siphon power from synthesized biospheric energies (ex : the Power Cosmic).

Originally posted by carver9
Base Hulk is a 100 tonner and this has been proven on numerous of occasions with one of those occasions having him lifting up a 150 billion ton mountain in a calm state.

Wendigo is a 100 tonner...high class 100.

Umar stated him destroying her realm in the next issue. I posted the scan from a preview of the next comic.

Wtf? I'm pretty sure you're usually one of them people who say outlier feats don't count. Stop bringing them up.

Wendigo's listed as a class 75-er. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/WendigoB.jpg

We only see a planet get destroyed and nothing more. The only logical conclusions would be that her realm is only the size of a planet or something else that we're currently unaware of happens in the upcoming issue... Or are you going to argue that one planet = a galaxy?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Wtf? I'm pretty sure you're usually one of them people who say outlier feats don't count. Stop bringing them up.

Wendigo's listed as a class 75-er. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/WendigoB.jpg

We only see a planet get destroyed and nothing more. The only logical conclusions would be that her realm is only the size of a planet or something else that we're currently unaware of happens in the upcoming issue... Or are you going to argue that one planet = a galaxy?

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I never would have believed that Carver doesn't tell the truth about Wendigos Strength Class.

Carver Buddy, I'm disappointed...

And don't forget Tyrant, Hulk didn't do it alone, Red She-Hulk was magically amped to his levels, so it was a shared feat. We also cannot tell how the Dark Dimension works and what the destruction of the main planets would have, a chain reaction maybe?

Originally posted by zopzop
He wasn't. There was no "DP" Tyrant (when he resurfaced after his original defeat by Galactus). He said so himself; That he hid in the darkest corners of the universe till he had amassed enough power to reclaim his empire. Also, we don't know how Galactus beat Tyrant. It could have been experience and skill (Galactus) overcoming raw power (Tyrant).

Keep in mind his original abilities included getting power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe. Tyrant apparently learned to siphon power from victims he capture (That's why when he fought other beings he didn't go for the quick kill. He wanted them alive so he can drain their power.) and how to siphon power from synthesized biospheric energies (ex : the Power Cosmic).

Tyrant could've been millions or even billions of years old when Galactus finally decided to end him. You don't know if Tyrant was experienced or not. Anyway I'm going to write off the second Galactus-Tyrant fight as pure shit writing. I mean at times, Tyrant was known to destroy entire galaxies (according to his bio), yet at the same time, in the scans you posted as a response to me, it is said that even the destruction of ONE planet caused Tyrant great harm.

As for this thread, I'm going with team 1 for now due to Tyrant and Galactus. The next Thor issue however might change my view on this thread depending on the results of the Galactus-Odin fight.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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I never would have believed that Carver doesn't tell the truth about Wendigos Strength Class.

Carver Buddy, I'm disappointed...

And don't forget Tyrant, Hulk didn't do it alone, Red She-Hulk was magically amped to his levels, so it was a shared feat. We also cannot tell how the Dark Dimension works and what the destruction of the main planets would have, a chain reaction maybe?

Exactly. Red She-Hulk who was said to be Hulk's exact equal was also responsible for what happened. It's a shared feat, not Hulk's alone.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Tyrant could've been millions or even billions of years old when Galactus finally decided to end him. You don't know if Tyrant was experienced or not.

Yup, that's why the first fight that happened mostly off panel is not a good gauge of anything.

Anyway I'm going to write off the second Galactus-Tyrant fight as pure shit writing. I mean at times, Tyrant was known to destroy entire galaxies (according to his bio), yet at the same time, in the scans you posted as a response to me, it is said that even the destruction of ONE planet caused Tyrant great harm.

It's not what you think. It caused him "harm" because he gets his power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe. When one of them is destroyed he knows of it. It made it clear on panel.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Wtf? I'm pretty sure you're usually one of them people who say outlier feats don't count. Stop bringing them up.

Wendigo's listed as a class 75-er. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/WendigoB.jpg

We only see a planet get destroyed and nothing more. The only logical conclusions would be that her realm is only the size of a planet or something else that we're currently unaware of happens in the upcoming issue... Or are you going to argue that one planet = a galaxy?

We don't go by bios buddy. Odin bio marks him as a 60 tonner and that is a lie. Using fts, Wendigo has matched an enraged Hulk. Bi-Beast has as well.

What are you talking about? I don't even have to give figures...Hulk holding up a mountain twice the size of our biggest mountain put him well above 100 tons and again, he was calm.

They only showed the planet being destroyed and took it off of the panel. If you look to the left, youll also see the moon also being destroyed and there is no telling how far the destructive force continued. She made it clear in the next comic though.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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I never would have believed that Carver doesn't tell the truth about Wendigos Strength Class.

Carver Buddy, I'm disappointed...

And don't forget Tyrant, Hulk didn't do it alone, Red She-Hulk was magically amped to his levels, so it was a shared feat. We also cannot tell how the Dark Dimension works and what the destruction of the main planets would have, a chain reaction maybe?

Stop cheerleading. Tyrant isn't right.

wendigo is listed as class 70
odin is listed as class 50
zeus is listed as class 90

tis why we ignore handbooks 🙂

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
wendigo is listed as class 70
odin is listed as class 50
zeus is listed as class 90

tis why we ignore handbooks 🙂

Exactly and Gladiator bio looks better than both Galactus AND Tyrant. Hell, Gladiator bio makes Odin bio look like piss but we know who is clearly more powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
Exactly and Gladiator bio looks better than both Galactus AND Tyrant. Hell, Gladiator bio makes Odin bio look like piss but we know who is clearly more powerful.

Even low heralds can planet bust.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
wendigo is listed as class 70
odin is listed as class 50
zeus is listed as class 90

tis why we ignore handbooks 🙂

Well in Odin and Zeus' case they clearly say without amping.

Originally posted by zopzop
Well in Odin and Zeus' case they clearly say without amping.

I am pretty sure they once listed both Wonder-man and Thor as Class 90

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I am pretty sure they once listed both Wonder-man and Thor as Class 90

Wonder-man, yes they did back in the day. But not the recent ones. I've never seen Thor as less than Class100 ever.

thor has been listed as class 90 before, im pretty sure of it

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
thor has been listed as class 90 before, im pretty sure of it

Pics! Or it never happened! 😛

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

LMAO @ Handbooks.

They're at best secondary evidence.

No, it's true, Thor was listed at 90 tons along with Juggernaut for a while. Which was weird because Hercules, Hulk and Beta Ray Bill where all in the incalculable range.

In terms of power levels, handbooks are useless. I'd also like to note the era in which the 60 tons figure was introduced for Odin, was the very same which claimed that Odin did not have telepathy, could not teleport or something along with a whole other bunch of bullshit that directly contradicted his showings.

I'd wager that a bunch of Asgardian hating cosmic fanboys were responsible for that bullshit. But seriously, shit was straight up made up at points.

For example, can anyone provide me with any reason why Odin would have such a low base level strength? There exists no evidence as far as I know to support Odin having any strength level below above top tier much less a base level below class 100.