@ Bentley, My issue with Galan was not whether or not Hulk could replicate the feat by himself. As i never claimed that. My issue was the atrocious reasoning used to denigrate the feat and hulks participation in it as a whole (i.e baseless assumptions, circular reasoning, introduction of arbitrary conditions etc.). What you are saying about the amount of force applied to it being a combination of the two of them is exactly the point I have been driving home.
Originally posted by Bentleyyou tell me
I'm not saying Hulk can or cannot destroy a planet by attacking directly, I believe this to be truth, but has very little to do with what Galan is implying. The question is: Should we assume Hulk can replicate this feat on his own by colliding not against Betty but against himself -let's say, using a thunderclap-?
his thunderclaps are pretty insane at times
Going by what's on panel, I would lean more towards the side of Bentley/Galan's argument. Don't get me wrong because that was a mutha effin redonkulous feat, but it did take another other than Hulk to generate that kind of destructive force. I'm still sure he can "World Break" a planet all by his lonesome through other ways however. Bottom line it was still a shared feat when it comes down to it.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Going by what's on panel, I would lean more towards the side of Bentley/Galan's argument. Don't get me wrong because that was a mutha effin redonkulous feat, but it did take another other than Hulk to generate that kind of destructive force. I'm still sure he can "World Break" a planet all by his lonesome through other ways however. Bottom line it was still a shared feat when it comes down to it.
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Originally posted by vioveo
current hulk is a high herald , savage hulk is low herald thats it
But yet he vaporized an entire race a beings without even touching them that Classic Strange and Dormammu combined couldn't defeat (Mindless ones). He vaporized Armageddon, a being that took out both Surfer and Merged Hulk with little effort. But yet he took out 2 beings that were amped to trans tier without even touching them (while tanking there attacks). He then thunder clap a dimensional wall down that was put in place by Dormammu first (to hold the mindless ones at bay) and then put up by Umar but he destroyed it with ease.
Get out of here.
These fts alone puts him far above high Herald.
Originally posted by Naija boyEh, I must have missed something. if this really was the point you've been "trying to drive home" we would have been in agreement a LONG time ago.
What you are saying about the amount of force applied to it being a combination of the two of them is exactly the point I have been driving home.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Exactly
Going by what's on panel, I would lean more towards the side of Bentley/Galan's argument. Don't get me wrong because that was a mutha effin redonkulous feat, but it did take another other than Hulk to generate that kind of destructive force. I'm still sure he can "World Break" a planet all by his lonesome through other ways however. Bottom line it was still a shared feat when it comes down to it.
Originally posted by BentleyNobody's even insinuated that Hulk would thunderclap a planet to pieces. Considering that he's wrought more direct/collateral damage with his thunderclaps consistently over slamming into an opponent, that suggestion isn't even out of the question at this point. But that's definitely not the question at hand. The clear question is whether Hulk's feat is impressive in the context of other planet busting feats. And there's a lot of equivocation over it being shared/ambiguous/energy projection/whatever to detract from it in relation to other feats of planet busting.
I'm not saying Hulk can or cannot destroy a planet by attacking directly, I believe this to be truth, but has very little to do with what Galan is implying. The question is: Should we assume Hulk can replicate this feat on his own by colliding not against Betty but against himself -let's say, using a thunderclap-? I mean, is this feat the implication of Hulk destroying a planet with collateral damage in the way it was displayed in the last Incredible Hulks issue? IMO, that proof isn't there. Hulk may destroy planets using his other feats, but we cannot say the feat was only dependent on Hulk, Betty certainly applied an equal amount of force, effectively doubling the strength applied.Can Hulk do it on his own? Maybe. Does this scene provides proof of Hulk being capable of doing it? Not really. That's what I took from Galan's argument, which is well within reasonable limits imo.
@Naija: I clarified Galan's reasoning above, if you think he was saying anything different from what I just explained, feel free to ask him yourself.
If you really think there's no significant difference between what current Hulk/Shrulk did and what BRB/Stardust or Thanos/Drax or Surfer/Morg did, or that the difference is marginal because of exceptional circumstances, fine. But I'm beginning to find it absurd.
This immediate barrage of scrutiny is leaps and bounds beyond what other characters and their feats are typically subjected to. Usually a feat is presented, aggrandized, and established and only after months (sometimes years) does somebody start looking back on it and question why certain context was left out or never discussed. By contrast, Hulk and this feat can't even get both feet past the phucking door. There's a stupendous amount of denial underlying these arguments here.
Originally posted by carver9
But yet he vaporized an entire race a beings without even touching them that Classic Strange and Dormammu combined couldn't defeat (Mindless ones). He vaporized Armageddon, a being that took out both Surfer and Merged Hulk with little effort. But yet he took out 2 beings that were amped to trans tier without even touching them (while tanking there attacks). He then thunder clap a dimensional wall down that was put in place by Dormammu first (to hold the mindless ones at bay) and then put up by Umar but he destroyed it with ease.Get out of here.
These fts alone puts him far above high Herald.
About time Hulk got some Superman level feats flirt
Originally posted by carver9
But yet he vaporized an entire race a beings without even touching them that Classic Strange and Dormammu combined couldn't defeat (Mindless ones). He vaporized Armageddon, a being that took out both Surfer and Merged Hulk with little effort. But yet he took out 2 beings that were amped to trans tier without even touching them (while tanking there attacks). He then thunder clap a dimensional wall down that was put in place by Dormammu first (to hold the mindless ones at bay) and then put up by Umar but he destroyed it with ease.Get out of here.
These fts alone puts him far above high Herald.
Arm took out Surfer? Scans?
Originally posted by Galan007
if this really was the point you've been "trying to drive home" we would have been in agreement a LONG time ago. Exactly
It was and even a cursory glance at my argument show this. For us to agree you would have to accept that it was simply the energy physically generated by the two of them (part by hulk and part by she hulk) that caused the destruction without imposing any external conditions onto the feat. You didnt and apparently still havent.
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I wouldn't use the word "denial". My only reason for arguing that feat has been to remind people that it was a shared feat between Hulk and Betty- and because of that, it is very hard to gauge how destructive the forces released solely by Hulk were.
@Naija
I've stated multiple times that the energy released by both of them destroyed the planet. However because that feat is leaps an bounds above any other feats theyve accomplished on panel it's logical to assume that they realeased a power greater than either of them have shown to be capable of generating on panel.
Originally posted by Galan007Fine, he only released enough destructive power to blow up half a planet with collateral damage and not one iota more.
^ I wouldn't use the word "denial". My only reason for arguing that feat has been to remind people that it was a shared feat between Hulk and Betty- and because of that, it is very hard to gauge how destructive the forces released solely by Hulk were.
Pfft, what a weak feeb. uhuh
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nobody's even insinuated that Hulk would thunderclap a planet to pieces. Considering that he's wrought more direct/collateral damage with his thunderclaps consistently over slamming into an opponent, that suggestion isn't even out of the question at this point. But that's definitely not the question at hand. The clear question is whether Hulk's feat is impressive in the context of other planet busting feats. And there's a lot of equivocation over it being shared/ambiguous/energy projection/whatever to detract from it in relation to other feats of planet busting.
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Bingo, People are somehow missing the entire point of the discussion. Its not whether Hulk could thunderclap the planet to pieces by himself. Its the level of impressiveness involved in his participation in this feat and the nonsensical atempts to denigrate through illogical means.
Originally posted by Galan007That's not logical.
I've stated multiple times that the energy released by both of them destroyed the planet. However because that feat is leaps an bounds above any other feats theyve accomplished on panel it's logical to assume that they realeased a power greate than either of them have shown to be capable of on panel.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0😛
Fine, he only released enough destructive power to blow up half a planet with collateral damage and not one iota more.Pfft, what a weak feeb. uhuh
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Again I'm not excluding world breaking as a potential possibility for Hulk. Just going by his on panel showings.
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@mindset
See the above. IMO it's not logical to assume Hulk can do something that he's never done.