Originally posted by Galan007
@Naija
. However because that feat is leaps an bounds above any other feats theyve accomplished on panel it's logical to assume that they realeased a power greater than either of them have shown to be capable of generating on panel.
Than either have done previously on panel....sure. Thats sorta the whole point of the arc anyways; to show them reaching new heights. It however does not at all imply an inflation of the joint energy released due to some unseen unique circumstances. Your conclusion is not logical. It reeks of fallacy.
Originally posted by Naija boyKay. Betty has never come close to destroying a planet+, with one shot, by herself. Hulk has never come close to destroying a planet+, with one shot, by himelf... Yet their punches collide and atomize the planet+?
Than either have done previously on panel....sure. Thats sorta the whole point of the arc anyways. That however does not at all imply an inflation of the joint energy released due to some unseen unique circumstances. Your conclusion is not logical. It reeks of fallacy.
That said, imo it IS logical to assume that their powers colliding with one another produced a power WELL beyond what either of them were capable of separately.
Originally posted by Galan007
Kay. Betty has never come close to destroying a planet+, with one shot, by herself. Hulk has never come close to destroying a planet+, with one shot, by himelf... Yet their punches collide and atomize the planet+?That said, imo it IS logical to assume that their powers colliding with one another produced a power WELL beyond what either of them were capable of separately.
Their is no imo in logic firstly and what your are saying is NOT logical period. Betty has never come close to destroying a planet plus by herself yes. Hulk has never come close to destroying a planet with one shot either yes. However, in this case we had an extremely amped Betty and and extremely amped (more powerful not externally amped) hulk who the writer explicitly made clear was going far beyond his previous levels.
The actions of Hulk in much weaker incarnations are thus irrelevant to this new much more powerful one and cannot be used as a basis for your conclusion because if you do, you are implicitly assuming a cap for this new hulks capabilities when the writer has yet to establish them. Circular reasoning=/= logical. It becomes even worse when the conditions necessary to fulfill that reasoning are so blatantly inconsistent with what was shown on panel.
What your are doing is equivalent to claiming that if a character in a particular state has not done something before, that they have no way of achieving anything close to it even in a much more powerful state...simply because.....they havent done it before. Hence if they are indeed shown doing it in a much more powerful state, we have to necessarily assume some unseen external facilitator.Thats just terrible reasoning. If applied to superman it would literally nullify all his sundipped feats due to his never having achieved anything similar without being sundipped. Smh
Originally posted by Naija boyGood lord.
Their is no imo in logic firstly and what your are saying is NOT logical period. Betty has never come close to destroying a planet plus by herself yes. Hulk has never come close to destroying a planet with one shot either yes. However, in this case we had an extremely amped Betty and and extremely amped (more powerful not externally amped) hulk who the writer explicitly made clear was going far beyond his previous levels.The actions of Hulk in much weaker incarnations are thus irrelevant to this new much more powerful one and cannot be used as a basis for your conclusion because if you do, you are implicitly assuming a cap for this new hulks capabilities when the writer has yet to establish them. Circular reasoning=/= logical. It becomes even worse when the conditions necessary to fulfill that reasoning are so blatantly inconsistent with what was shown on panel.
What your are doing is equivalent to claiming that if a character in a particular state has not done something before, that they have no way of achieving anything close to it even in a much more powerful state...simply because.....they havent done it before. Hence if they are indeed shown doing it in a much more powerful state, we have to necessarily assume some unseen external facilitator.Thats just terrible reasoning. If applied to superman it would literally nullify all his sundipped feats due to his never having achieved anything similar without being sundipped. Smh
ALL of Hulk's showings are canon to the character he is now, regardless of what level you believe Pak intends him to be operating at. Therefore, ALL of his feats are most certainly applicable. After all, it's not like Hulk said: "I've been holding back my entire career" -- he merely listed very specific instances (ie. "the war in New York", and "yesterday"😉 in which he was holding back.
Either way, that is an entirely moot point. Even current Hulk, at current levels, has yet to come remotely close to destroying a planet under his own power. Until he DOES, it's completely illogical to assume he CAN. Statements =/= feats, and feats are what we go by here.
