@Naija: I didn't quote your post because it is ridiculously long and I'm on my iphone.
Anyway, Paks intent is moot. The fact is that neither Hulk or Betty have demonstrated anywhere that level of feat on panel by themselves. Not even close, in fact. So based on panel feats the most logical conclusion is that the energy they released upon colliding was significantly beyond what either of them were capable of alone.
Again my opinion is based on what these characters have actually done on panel. Not what I think they might be capable of. Twas a shared feat, which makes it very hard to gauge.
Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, classic Juggernaut said it was impossible to stop his forward movement... Doesn't make it true.Regardless, I'm not saying Hulk is incapable of destroying planets. I'm just saying that as of now the feat he and Betty displayed in IH was well beyond anything he's yet to display solo/on panel.
So what Heralds can destroy a planet physically and please explain why?
Originally posted by Galan007
@Naija: I didn't quote your post because it is ridiculously long and I'm on my iphone.Anyway, Paks intent is moot. The fact is that neither Hulk or Betty have demonstrated anywhere that level of feat on panel by themselves. Not even close, in fact. So based on panel feats the most logical conclusion is that the energy they released upon colliding was significantly beyond what either of them were capable of alone.
Again my opinion is based on what these characters have actually done on panel. Not what I think they might be capable of. Twas a shared feat, which makes it very hard to gauge.
Not even close. You are trying to circumvent what happened by appealing to prior occurences which are by nature inapplicable and superimposing inconsistent physics onto a situation in which it was not even hinted at let alone portrayed. Paks intent is not moot and is certainly more valid than your fallacious rationalizations. Seriously, now your are just throwing up fallacies like a pregnant woman with morning sickness. Your are basically claiming that " Because they havent individually achieved a feat like this before then it means that the feat must have been facilitated by unique physics available to them only in conjunction". This is an enormous non-sequitur and does not follow at all. You are willing to simply ignore the clear authorial intention of Pak ( which if you had any knowledge of interpretation theory is a really fundamental principle to understanding texts) which is to show Hulk operating at a new level of power, in favor of a conclusion that doesnt even follow from its own irrelevant premises. Ayayai
You are not going by what happened on panel at all. Jeez,
The rules of physics which would facilitate your rationalization are inconsistent with the physics of such a situation. You are hence projecting numerous contradictory and logically incoherent things onto the panel and that is blatantly obvious. It was a shared feat but we can know for sure by just taking the scene at face value that hulk physically generated at minimum half of the force that caused the devastation. That is itself enough to make a determination regarding the strength he was operating at. Its that simple
@Naija
Yeah I'm not projecting anything.
Fact: neither character has demonstrated a feat remotely close to the one in question, on panel.
Therefore we MUST assume that the energy their collision released was well beyond what either of them are capable of separately, until we have substantial proof to the contrary. Why are you making this so complicated?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ but that would assume they were using the totality of their power, and that is most likely far from the truthalso intent. during the climax of DOS, superman and doomsday shattered windows around their fight... without having to go into detail about what i will say next i'll leave it right there
Hulk said he wasn't holding back 131
Also, no, Galan's argument holds true even if it wasn't their max levels, the whole point is we won't extrapolate higher levels since they've never been shown, so we can only assume what we have seen: Both characters replicating the feat together. That doesn't exclude they being more powerful, but we don't have to assume so just by what we saw. That's Galan's point.
Originally posted by Bentleybuut, the characters didn't try to perform said feat, it was just the result of being too close to such a clash of power. if they wanted to shatter the planet, given all the info since the goddamn gray hulk days it's pretty obvious.
Hulk said he wasn't holding back 131Also, no, Galan's argument holds true even if it wasn't their max levels, the whole point is we won't extrapolate higher levels since they've never been shown, so we can only assume what we have seen: Both characters replicating the feat together. That doesn't exclude they being more powerful, but we don't have to assume so just by what we saw. That's Galan's point.
Originally posted by Bentley
Hulk said he wasn't holding back 131Also, no, Galan's argument holds true even if it wasn't their max levels, the whole point is we won't extrapolate higher levels since they've never been shown, so we can only assume what we have seen: Both characters replicating the feat together. That doesn't exclude they being more powerful, but we don't have to assume so just by what we saw. That's Galan's point.
You dont need to extrapolate anything. Both characters replicating the feat together means that both characters contributed to the feat. Yes. Therefore we know that the feat was accomplished through the contribution of variable A (Hulk) and variable B (she hulk). What Galan is doing is introducing a third variable which is his particle accelarator physics ( variable C) which takes the combined power of Variable A and variable B and inflates it to the levels needed to achieve the destruction. This is nonsensical, since Variable C was not at all hinted at in the scene and is entirely inconsistent with such a situation in the first place.. It also implicitly assumes that WB Hulk and Red She hulk are incapable of jointly facilitating such destruction independent of the unique physical circumstances he describes, based on irrelevant prior showings. Hence he is already assuming his conclusion in his premise which is circular reasoning. What the scene showed was that the combined power of Hulk and She hulk caused the destruction. No unique inflationary physics involved. Case Closed.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
buut, the characters didn't try to perform said feat, it was just the result of being too close to such a clash of power. if they wanted to shatter the planet, given all the info since the goddamn gray hulk days it's pretty obvious.
I'm not saying Hulk can or cannot destroy a planet by attacking directly, I believe this to be truth, but has very little to do with what Galan is implying. The question is: Should we assume Hulk can replicate this feat on his own by colliding not against Betty but against himself -let's say, using a thunderclap-? I mean, is this feat the implication of Hulk destroying a planet with collateral damage in the way it was displayed in the last Incredible Hulks issue? IMO, that proof isn't there. Hulk may destroy planets using his other feats, but we cannot say the feat was only dependent on Hulk, Betty certainly applied an equal amount of force, effectively doubling the strength applied.
Can Hulk do it on his own? Maybe. Does this scene provides proof of Hulk being capable of doing it? Not really. That's what I took from Galan's argument, which is well within reasonable limits imo.
@Naija: I clarified Galan's reasoning above, if you think he was saying anything different from what I just explained, feel free to ask him yourself.