It seems as though Savage Hulk may have been swept under the carpet so to speak seeing as there's this uber new Hulk running around. He has plenty of feats on the level of Superman, in many cases surpassing him, even in the wild unquantifiable category.
He's s always been stated of having limitless potential and was clearly Marvels strong guy even before the Green Scar persona was created
Originally posted by Galan007
Love the irony here. You call me pathetic, but in the same breath launch a [sad] attempt at badgering? Hysterical.Try to keep the childish antics to yourself, kay? 🙂
There was no badgering going on. You falsely accused me of something, then when i responded and called your nonsense by clearly pointing out that i had not said any of the things you tried to accredit to me, you then attempted to play the "why are you getting defensive card". Seriously, dont go presenting falsehoods about others positions and then attempt to fall back on your supposed and non-existent internet maturity in order to cover up those falsehoods. It is extremely transparent and yes...pathetic.
What are you talking about? Did you read a thing I said? If so, then you might note I never said that was Pak's intent- I said that's what it seemed akin to. Obviously the two of them colliding is what released enough energy to destroy the planet- and since neither of them have come close to accomplishing the same level of feat before that instance, my previous post is perfectly logical. The two of them collide and, w/o physically touching the planet, release a power FAR greater than either of them could (or ever have, at least) have amassed separately. To me, this implies that a power greater than the sum of the parts was generated. If you really call that "reaching" on my end, then you are evidently ignoring EXACTLY what was shown in the comic, because that's all I'm going by.
Equivocation wont help you now and neither will playing semantics. My mentioning of paks intent was to underpin the obvious (apparently not) point that writers in general portray what they intend to portray. Hence your claim which amounts to "Im not saying thats what he was trying to portray but thats what it looks like he portrayed" is nonsensical. Firstly, the physics of that situation as presented in the comic are not at all similar to that of a particle accelarator and consequently using it as a parallel is faulty on many levels. Ironically what you deem logical is actually a circular reasoning logical fallacy. Instead of simply taking the scene as it is presented on panel, you assume because you havent seen hulk (or red she hulk) do this before that he must be incapable of it and consequently some external factors (which in this case refer to the physics you arbitrarily and wrongly attributed to the feat) must have facilitated the feat. Hence your conclusion is already assumed in your premise. Aside from the overt structural flaws i just pointed out, it is counter-intuitive to suggest this feat was facilitated by particle accelerator like physics (result being greater than the sum of its parts) just because hulk hasnt accomplished anything close to this before. The entire point of the arc was after all to show Hulk reaching a new level of strength (no holding back and such) and so basing any conclusions about his capabilities off his appearances prior to this one is inaccurate.
Your assesment of the implications of that scene to put it bluntly, is flat out horrendous. A power greater than the sum of their parts can only be the implication if you assume firstly that the energy released in the destruction of the planet and nearby moon is something far beyond anything Worldbreaker Hulk and his equal Red She hulk betty are capable of even in conjunction, and secondly that Greg pak intended for the physics of that situation to be not only inconsistent with a similar real life scenario (in which the energy generated would be equal to the sum of their parts i.e Hulk and she hulks contribution) but subsequently in line with the unique conditions found within a particle accelarator. That is not going by what is portrayed in the comic by any stretch of the imagination. It is merely projecting assumptions based on preconceived notions of the characters capabilities onto very clear and comprehensible pictures and text in the hope that they will stick....They wont.
You're twisting things a bit. I would agree that Hulk (and subsequently Betty) are above everyone on the list- Superman included. But are they several tiers above someone like Supes (as you originally suggested) based on that one feat? Not IMO. As I said: shared feats are enormously hard to gauge.
Im not twisting anything, That feat in its actual form rather than your bastardized interpretation of it along with the emphasis on the significant strength gap between this Hulk and his previous incarnaitons (who were on par with superman) is what puts current hulk as significantly stronger than someone like superman at his regular portrayal levels. The shared nature of the feat is undeniable but does not take much away from it as even generating at bare minimum half of the required energy to perform such a feat ( destruction of a planet, multiple significantly amped class 100 characters, army of mindless ones, and nearby moon without even making contact with any of them) is far above the capabilities of any of the others on the list on average.
Originally posted by Naija boy
There was no badgering going on. You falsely accused me of something, then when i responded and called your nonsense by clearly pointing out that i had not said any of the things you tried to accredit to me, you then attempted to play the "why are you getting defensive card". Seriously, dont go presenting falsehoods about others positions and then attempt to fall back on your supposed and non-existent internet maturity in order to cover up those falsehoods. It is extremely transparent and yes...pathetic.Equivocation wont help you now and neither will playing semantics. My mentioning of paks intent was to underpin the obvious (apparently not) point that writers in general portray what they intend to portray. Hence your claim which amounts to "Im not saying thats what he was trying to portray but thats what it looks like he portrayed" is nonsensical. Firstly, the physics of that situation as presented in the comic are not at all similar to that of a particle accelarator and consequently using it as a parallel is faulty on many levels. Ironically what you deem logical is actually a circular reasoning logical fallacy. Instead of simply taking the scene as it is presented on panel, you assume because you havent seen hulk do this before that he must be incapable of it and consequently some external factors (which in this case refer to the physics you arbitrarily and wrongly attributed to the feat) must have facilitated the feat. Hence your conclusion is already assumed in your premise. Aside from the overt structural flaws i just pointed out, it is counter-intuitive to suggest this feat was facilitated by particle accelerator like physics just because hulk hasnt accomplished anything close to this before. The entire point of the arc was after all to show Hulk reaching a new level of strength (no holding back and such) and so basing any conclusions about his capabilities off his appearances prior to this one is inaccurate.
Your assesment of the implications of that scene to put it bluntly, is flat out horrendous. A power greater than the sum of their parts can only be the implication if you assume firstly that the energy released in the destruction of the planet and nearby moon is something far beyond anything Worldbreaker Hulk and his equal Red She hulk betty are incapable of [b]even in conjunction
, and secondly that Greg pak intended for the physics of that situation to be not only inconsistent with a similar real life scenario (in which the energy generated would be equal to the sum of their parts i.e Hulk and she hulks contribution) but subsequently in line with the unique conditions found within a particle accelarator. That is not going by what is portrayed in the comic by any stretch of the imagination. It is merely projecting assumptions based on preconceived notions of the characters capabilities onto very clear and comprehensible pictures and text in the hope that they will stick....They wont.Im not twisting anything, That feat in its actual form rather than your bastardized interpretation of it along with the emphasis on the significant strength gap between this Hulk and his previous incarnaitons (who were on par with superman) is what puts current hulk as significantly stronger than someone like superman at his regular portrayal levels. The shared nature of the feat is undeniable but does not take much away from it as even generating at bare minimum half of the required energy to perform such a feat ( destruction of a planet, multiple significantly amped class 100 characters, army of mindless ones, and nearby moon without even making contact with any of them) is far above the capabilities of any of the others on the list on average. [/B]
Lol...Damn this post looks as if it was written by a college professor. The words in this is mind boggling.
Overall, even though I don't understand a d*** thing you said... I agree.
^ Winter Pr-ver is coming. Gods help us all.
Originally posted by Naija boyThis makes sense.
Equivocation wont help you now and neither will playing semantics. My mentioning of paks intent was to underpin the obvious (apparently not) point that writers in general portray what they intend to portray. Hence your claim which amounts to "Im not saying thats what he was trying to portray but thats what it looks like he portrayed" is nonsensical. Firstly, the physics of that situation as presented in the comic are not at all similar to that of a particle accelarator and consequently using it as a parallel is faulty on many levels. Ironically what you deem logical is actually a circular reasoning logical fallacy. Instead of simply taking the scene as it is presented on panel, you assume because you havent seen hulk (or red she hulk) do this before that he must be incapable of it and consequently some external factors (which in this case refer to the physics you arbitrarily and wrongly attributed to the feat) must have facilitated the feat. Hence your conclusion is already assumed in your premise. Aside from the overt structural flaws i just pointed out, it is counter-intuitive to suggest this feat was facilitated by particle accelerator like physics ([b]result being greater than the sum of its parts) just because hulk hasnt accomplished anything close to this before. The entire point of the arc was after all to show Hulk reaching a new level of strength (no holding back and such) and so basing any conclusions about his capabilities off his appearances prior to this one is inaccurate.Your assesment of the implications of that scene to put it bluntly, is flat out horrendous. A power greater than the sum of their parts can only be the implication if you assume firstly that the energy released in the destruction of the planet and nearby moon is something far beyond anything Worldbreaker Hulk and his equal Red She hulk betty are capable of even in conjunction, and secondly that Greg pak intended for the physics of that situation to be not only inconsistent with a similar real life scenario (in which the energy generated would be equal to the sum of their parts i.e Hulk and she hulks contribution) but subsequently in line with the unique conditions found within a particle accelarator. That is not going by what is portrayed in the comic by any stretch of the imagination. It is merely projecting assumptions based on preconceived notions of the characters capabilities onto very clear and comprehensible pictures and text in the hope that they will stick....They wont.[/B]
Frankly, without overthinking it too much, it just seems obvious to me that Greg Pak finally had Hulk live up to his moniker: Worldbreaker. It may be surprising to many that he'd do it as collateral damage, but I don't see the shared nature of the feat as responsible for setting up an exceptional circumstance without which the feat could never have possibly been replicated independently.
Despite Worldbreaker Hulk taking a footstep while holding back and threatening a continental coastline, there were a lot of people dismissing the idea that Worldbreaker going all-out in an actual fight would threaten a planet's foundations just by the very act of fighting. I think it's safe to say that notion's been validated. Convincingly.
Originally posted by Mindset
This is happening, guys.It's inevitable.
Never.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
there were a lot of people dismissing the idea that Worldbreaker going all-out in an actual fight would threaten a planet's foundations just by the very act of fighting.
i don't think that's what anyone was saying. heck, i'd say the same is true of several of the higher heralds, and beyond.