Order these guys in physical strength

Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't think that's what anyone was saying. heck, i'd say the same is true of several of the higher heralds, and beyond.

And I've seen high heralds bust planets in their fights several times, but that always ends up happening as the inevitable epic conflagration that's reached its very climax and one foe is laid low. I've never seen it done as an unintentional consequence of the very first butting of heads.

The difference to me is like watching Goku and Frieza charge up for 10 episodes and fight for 15 episodes and, of course, the planet's gonna blow up as a result of this long epic fight... as opposed to watching them immediately charge up and fly at each other and upon the initial impact, the planet is immediately wtf obliterated.

I think the abruptness with which the destruction was wrought is noteworthy, if not significant. Because that... that really doesn't happen often. Not at high herald levels anyway.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
They're not saying that anymore, that's true. But a lot of that was going around back when World War Hulk first ended and Hulk returned in World War Hulks. With hindsight... this development seemed inevitable really.

And I've seen high heralds bust planets in their fights several times, but that always ends up happening as the inevitable epic conflagration that's reached its very climax and one foe is laid low. I've never seen it done as an unintentional consequence of the very first butting of heads.

The difference to me is like watching Goku and Frieza charge up for 10 episodes and fight for 15 episodes and, of course, the planet's gonna blow up as a result of this long epic fight... as opposed to watching them immediately charge up and fly at each other and upon the initial impact, the planet is immediately wtf obliterated.

I think the abruptness with which the destruction was wrought is noteworthy, if not significant. Because that... that really doesn't happen often. Not at high herald levels anyway.

I think it's more a case of people using individual feats to push their argument, like the stepping coast-line one, that was a problem rather than people thinking that hulk couldn't damage/destroy a planet. i think the line gets blurred too often between whether a feat is what people say it is, and what we know a character should be capable of.

I haven't read the latest comic, so I can't comment on that.

I laught at the Piotr being in this list. He isn't even above Ben Grimm and he wants to hang with the adults...

Originally posted by Bentley
I laught at the Piotr being in this list. He isn't even above Ben Grimm and he wants to hang with the adults...

He's comparable to Ben at the very least, imo.

To Ben, yes, to the guys in this thread not so much (unless we pick a weaksauce Wendigo)

Well yeah... hanone

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Superman is also written to be above heralds quite often 😄

Originally posted by Bentley
Superman is also written to be above heralds quite often 😄

Not according to KMC; it's just PIS.

KMC's face is PIS uhuh

Originally posted by Bentley
KMC's face is PIS uhuh

Well, that's true.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
They're not saying that anymore, that's true. But a lot of that was going around back when World War Hulk first ended and Hulk returned in World War Hulks. With hindsight... this development seemed inevitable really.

And I've seen high heralds bust planets in their fights several times, but that always ends up happening as the inevitable epic conflagration that's reached its very climax and one foe is laid low. I've never seen it done as an unintentional consequence of the very first butting of heads.

The difference to me is like watching Goku and Frieza charge up for 10 episodes and fight for 15 episodes and, of course, the planet's gonna blow up as a result of this long epic fight... as opposed to watching them immediately charge up and fly at each other and upon the initial impact, the planet is immediately wtf obliterated.

I think the abruptness with which the destruction was wrought is noteworthy, if not significant. Because that... that really doesn't happen often. Not at high herald levels anyway.

But the Hulk feat isn't entirely a strength feat. When Surfer destroyed a planet with a blast the energy came out of him right?
Well energy was released from both Hulk and Red Shulk to destroy the planet. We know this because energy was pouring out of them right before they collided.

So if you are claiming that Hulk and Red Shulk had the energy inside of them to destroy a planet which is proof to how strong they were (since they could use said energy as strength) then you are right.
But make no mistake, other heralds possess the energy inside of them as well to destroy a planet as well. We know this because they have feats equaling the energy of destroying a planet or more. Thus if the energy inside of them was also released then we would get the same effect.

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As a sidenote:
It's amusing that some people accept selected "shared" ueber-feats just because the scale is smaller but still comprehensible enough for most, while dismissing other because they seem incomprehensible and "to big". (or because some are from Chars they "hate"?)

Take this WHB feat. Two beings destroy indirectly an Planet or if one feels like it, a Dimension or Realm (unquantifiable terms but it's still just 1 Dimeonsion/Realm)
Hercules supported the skies (never stated to be the Universe as far as I know) also a very vague Term tbh but anyway, it was just 1 Sky(Universe). He did what our atmosphere does and one could argue that it wasn't a Universe at all (as it was never sateted, or was it?).
You can take all those unquantifiable feats and see that they lack the one thing that makes them "perfect". They lack the infinite, they are still vague.

No let's look at Superman lifting an Book with infinite Pages. It was a shared feat, though CM struggled so much it seemed he reached his limit on his way to infinity. Superman also asked him for help because he was there and it is the most reasonable thing to do, one can't doubt he wouldn't succeed by himself though. Ultraman did it too, who is Supermans evil mirror image from an Parallel Universe.
Now we have on panel an infinite number, two people (later one) lifting it. It's obvious that Morrison wanted to show that Superman can do the impossible if he needs to, that his strength doesn't have limits. And he did exactly that, with a most ridiculous feat BUT still, he wrote it down, it was drawn and it is valid to the last point, as valid as Hulks current shared feat. (FC wasn't about making omfg feats though, it was a side effect to prove a point, the story was great even without the feats, anyway)

So if you wanted to show that a Char has an infite/unlimited strength (if he needs it), what feat would you create? Morrison did just that. You don't even have to read thousands of comics to find a narration (from a different comic era, another writer) that says that this Realm is infinite, that a Universe is also a Omniverse. It's all in this one comic, in this one panel... perfect.

Now Superman would have to hold back a lot 😉.

I just wish the Hulk would have accomplished this feat, I'm sure more people would be willing to accept it, rather then dismiss it.

Because no other char (as far as I know) did something similar. Some might resist the near limitless Gravity-pull of a Black Hole or struggle with an approaching infinity but an perfect objecty with infinite weight you can lift... perfect. Morrsion at his best.
The people disliking this feat, tend to ignore it, laugh about it, facepalm it because they can't bear it. Amusing.

All the others have are very vague feats, compared to this one. And the best thing is. Even if another writer does something like this, the best one can hope to achieve is being as strong as Superman. 😂

I could joke about this all day, it's really to funny. But I think it's now the time for the Marvel fraction to nitpick on the Terms in my post, start the low balling, and showing lesser feats of "similar" Chars to "discredit" this one 🙂 and of course flaming 😉.

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^ Well said. 👆

Originally posted by Bentley
I laught at the Piotr being in this list. He isn't even above Ben Grimm and he wants to hang with the adults...

Colossus held his own against wendigo before.

why are you lowballing big C so much?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
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Colossus held his own against wendigo before.

why are you lowballing big C so much?

He honestly doesn't belong on this thread. Second bottom, bottom, third bottom, either or, it doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He honestly doesn't belong on this thread. Second bottom, bottom, third bottom, either or, it doesn't really matter.

i guess wendigo doesnt belong either, so does namor

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
a guy can hold his own against wendigo shouldnt be allowed in this thread?

i guess wendigo doesnt belong either, so does namor

Namor is well above Colossus, for starters.

Wendigo varies, so either you're going with the strong version that's above Pete, or the weak version that's around his level if not lower.