Current Hulk vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Considering Guardian Superman Prime wasn't noticeably any weaker when he first engaged Monarch and the statements made, I'm going to go with Monarch beating the Guardian amp out of him.

C'mon. Plot device. How many times has Captain Atom or Firestorm or other nuclear reactor-like comic characters been done in by containment suit rupture? It was cheap.

And getting KTFO isn't a win in my book.

Kept running away from Bart Allen. And Bart Allen was actually less effective the more speedsters there were. Total ninja effect. One Guardian physically overpowered him and transported him atom by atom. The Guardian who stated that Superman Prime had encountered a power that eclipsed his own. And based on what that Guardian did, I'm inclined to agree despite how many times Ganthet jobs himself out.

I agree that Ion Sodam Yat is several notches below Superman Prime... when he is holding back, is inexperienced with his powers and has just suffered serious lead poisoning that even the entire Ion power can't reverse.

It was a footstep.

Everybody called it a footstep.

http://imageshack.us/f/443/hulk1sh0.jpg/

Heh.

Originally posted by Juntai
OK, though there's nothing to back that up. He still appeared as Superman Prime until next we saw him, and still won the fight.

I thought it was a cop-out myself.

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Originally posted by Juntai
The Bart Allen bit is a mental thing. As for the Guardian? That's how you saw that? lmao. He shot through a GL with heat vision and accidentally ****ed up a guardian. A Guardian had to SACRIFICE HIMSELF while he was getting overwhelmed by Prime, nowhere overpowering him at all, trying to wipe him from the universe and only sent him to a different universe, powered up. A guardian even touching the Antimonitor was dissolved on the spot - likely because of antimatter. But Prime flew through him, then tossed him. There's a gap even the Guardians and Prime, and Guardians aren't on the upper end of that totem pole.

Originally posted by Juntai
Sure. Just understand that he was about as 'in that fight' as Booster Gold might have been. The gap between them was so huge that Prime was toying with him.

Originally posted by Juntai
Oh was it?

Oh did they?

http://imageshack.us/f/443/hulk1sh0.jpg/

Heh.

Got described as a footstep like a dozen times. And he was still holding back. ahah

Reverse ninja ratio arguments aren't really cogent in a VS forum, ODG.

That's basically the bread and butter of comic fights so acting like the Reverse Ninja Ratio somehow tarnishes the impressiveness of one character beating down on others is kind of lame.

^ Fine.

Superman Prime >>>>>> combined DC heroes. Ion Sodam Yat >>> combined DC heroes. WWIII Black Adam >>>>>> combined DC heroes. WWIII Black Adam = Superman Prime.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Fine.

Ion Sodam Yat >>>> combined heroes. WWIII Black Adam = Superman Prime.

C'mon man you're better than this.

Anyways, not much left to debate really.

Nice as always Onedumb.

<3

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The heroes fighting Black Adam were trying to reason him most of the time. Not to mention Black Adam took a much worse beating than Prime did.

C'mon man you're better than this.

You want to focus on details, I can easily make an argument that WWIII Black Adam's rampage was equal to, if not greater than, Superman Primes' two rampages.

And this still doesn't bear on how Ion Sodam Yat gets no respect despite apparently doing better than a horde of DC superheroes who couldn't possibly have suffered reverse-ninja effect.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Excuse me? WWIII Black Adam was tortured by the Science Squad, fought the entire world's military, fought the DC combined superheroes along with the Great Ten all solo. Superman Prime on the other hand fought the DC combined superheroes alongside the Sinestro Corps, and briefly started goading all of them to attack him before getting immediately beaten by a Guardian.

You want to focus on details, I can easily make an argument that WWIII Black Adam's rampage was equal, if not greater than Superman Primes' two rampages.

And this still doesn't bear on how Ion Sodam Yat gets no respect despite apparently doing better than a horde of DC superheroes.

Sinestro Corps were basically fighting the GLC, Prime's fight was with the Earth heroes. And yes he did much better against them than BA did.

Not to mention that BA was nearly soloed by Martian Manhunter at the start. Compare that to how Martian Manhunter was only able to briefly give Prime some trouble.

Lol the Guardian sacrificed himself to bfr Prime. That's not exactly 'beating' him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Excuse me? WWIII Black Adam was tortured by the Science Squad, fought the entire world's military, fought the DC combined superheroes along with the Great Ten all solo. Superman Prime on the other hand fought the DC combined superheroes alongside the Sinestro Corps, and briefly started goading all of them to attack him before getting immediately beaten by a Guardian.

You want to focus on details, I can easily make an argument that WWIII Black Adam's rampage was equal to, if not greater than, Superman Primes' two rampages.

And this still doesn't bear on how Ion Sodam Yat gets no respect despite apparently doing better than a horde of DC superheroes.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/noteno2.jpg

He's A daxamite, powers like a Krytonian, plus the unlimited energy of ION. He's a living power battery!

But. .

[sulking]not strong enough.

Not as strong as Prime..

He needs to be stronger...
[/sulking]

He gets credit, it was meant to show that he was above the horde of heros. He did better than they did, plain and simple, and they didn't even engage him while the sun was up. They just got shrugged off and put on their "Oh shit" faces once the sun hit him and he wasn't running on empty. I said that way back, but it also once again exemplified exactly how much farther Prime was than even that due to how much more formidable Prime was than even ION.

And, if you wanted to twist things up, you surely could make a bunch of weird parallels to attempt to tell us Adam was more impressive, but 1) they were trying to reason with him most of that time, not actually just take him down and out. 2) many of the heavy hitters were not there. He was fighting people like Mr Terrific, Cyborg, etc. Prime was fighting far more heavy hitters, and doing better at it. Adam was going down, he was just racking up as much damage as he could while falling 3) The entire basis of the 52 and it's offshoot series' was that Superman, Wonderwoman and Batman weren't there. People even remarked during WW3 that they wouldn't be struggling, and it wouldn't be happening like that if they were.

^ Taking a closer look at the heroes that engaged Superman Prime and WWIII Black Adam respectively and it strengthens how close their rampages are, it doesn't widen that gap:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Most of the heroes involved in either event were there at both times, Powergirl, Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Teen Titans, JSA, etc. And while Superman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Wally weren't in World War III; you had Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Donna Troy, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Plastic Man, Steel etc. AND none of them were distracted by Hank Henshaw or hundreds of Yellow Lanterns wreaking havoc. They were all completely focused on Black Adam.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lol @ the military. Prime could do that in his sleep.

Sinestro Corps were basically fighting the GLC, Prime's fight was with the Earth heroes. And yes he did much better against them than BA did.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not to mention that BA was nearly soloed by Martian Manhunter at the start. Compare that to how Martian Manhunter was only able to briefly give Prime some trouble.

Lol the Guardian sacrificed himself to bfr Prime. That's not exactly 'beating' him.

Oh, of course, Superman Prime getting KTFO and left for dead in a yellow sun-less place was exactly 'beating' Monarch though.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Taking a closer look at the heroes that engaged Superman Prime and WWIII Black Adam respectively and it strengthens how close their rampages are, it doesn't widen that gap: And what Sodam Yat needed was to stop holding back, a bit of an extra amp, more experience, and no lead poisoning. No, he didn't. And you know that the YLC, Manhunters and Henshaw were engaging the DC heroes simultaneously. Two words: Bart Allen.

Oh, of course, Superman Prime getting KTFO and left for dead in a yellow sun-less place was exactly 'beating' Monarch though.

I thought they were trying to reason with Prime as well. Wasn't that the main reason powergirl missed with her heat vision when Prime was down (when she aimed it at his crotch).

Originally posted by Juntai
You could only draw comparisons between the two if you count WW3 Adam vs de-powered Prime fighting through the nite, both going down slowly but surely. The difference was when the light him, he elevated past that level. The team was struggling with him like they did while he had nothing in the tank. Oh, and Prime was fighting far more top end sluggers than Adam was.

As for the "far more top end sluggers" comment, I wouldn't take a team consisting of Superman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Wally against a team made up of Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Donna Troy, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Plastic Man, and Steel...

... when the first team is simultaneously and intermittently dealing with Henshaw, Manhunters and Sinestro Corps members waging an all-out war.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman Prime's rampage in Sinestro Corps War rivaled his rampage in Infinite Crisis. Fact is, some of Superman Prime's best feats come when he is donning that suit. I don't see a distinction there that helps your case. WWIII Black Adam may have been dying, but he was never brought down to as low a level as Superman Prime was brought down to. Even then, Superman Prime rampaged non-stop for an hour or so. WWIII Black Adam rampaged non-stop for an entire week.

As for the "far more top end sluggers" comment, I wouldn't take a team consisting of Superman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Wally against a team made up of Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Donna Troy, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Plastic Man, and Steel...

... when the first team is simultaneously and intermittently dealing with Henshaw, Manhunters and Sinestro Corps members waging an all-out war.

And, if you wanted to twist things up, you surely could make a bunch of weird parallels to attempt to tell us Adam was more impressive, but 1) they were trying to reason with him most of that time, not actually just take him down and out. 2) many of the heavy hitters were not there. He was fighting people like Mr Terrific, Cyborg, etc. Prime was fighting far more heavy hitters, and doing better at it. Adam was going down, he was just racking up as much damage as he could while falling 3) The entire basis of the 52 and it's offshoot series' was that Superman, Wonderwoman and Batman weren't there. People even remarked during WW3 that they wouldn't be struggling, and it wouldn't be happening like that if they were. [/B]

And yet, Sodam Yat was more impressive than the team's efforts combined, as they became nearly irrelevent once the sun hit him, which was comparable to Adams's feat [ 🙄 ] and he was nothing next to Prime. All of which you've already conceeded to.

😉

Hulk

Originally posted by Juntai
And yet, Sodam Yat was more impressive than the team's efforts combined, as they became nearly irrelevent once the sun hit him, which was comparable to Adams's feat [ 🙄 ] and he was nothing next to Prime. All of which you've already conceeded to.

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And of course, WWIII Black Adam definitely took on the combined DC heroes and was never brought down to the levels that Superman Prime was brought down to, even though he had dealt with the Science Squad torturing him, fought for a week non-stop (not an hour), and had no Sinestro Corps War raging around him to distract the combined DC superheroes, but whatever, he had reverse-ninja effect somehow.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you think you're being consistent here, you're not. For whatever reason, Superman Prime is the only character who cannot possibly have his feats be affected by reverse ninja-effect. Even though that would elevate Sodam Yat's performance well beyond the combined DC superheroes, but whatever, Sodam Yat sucks anyway somehow.

And of course, WWIII Black Adam definitely took on the combined DC heroes and was never brought down to the levels that Superman Prime was brought down to, even though he had dealt with the Science Squad torturing him, fought for a week non-stop (not an hour), and had no Sinestro Corps War raging around him to distract the combined DC superheroes, but whatever, he had reverse-ninja effect somehow.

If you want to roundabout make a comparison of the instances and say Sodam by effect, was nearly as impressive as Adam by default, be my guest, I'll cross that road when I come to it. But that by no means put him near Prime, who was still leaps and bounds ahead of that as Sodam Yat was no match against him.

Despite all of what Adam did in that week, he didn't run into any real resistance until he encountered that JSA lineup at the end, I'm quite positive none of those regular civilians he was killing in those countries days prior to that mounted any real threat to him. And although we whipped ass, Adam went down to the group of the heros once he encountered them. Superboy Prime ended up slapping them around, defeated Sodam Yat, was beasting on the Lanterns too, even a couple of Guardians and punked the Anti-Monitor, and eventually had to be BFRed.

Though your double standard is actually amusing, when you'll give credit to Black Adam for running over regular humans for a week as if he were in a war for his life, and that's part of the reason he was eventually downed .. . but amped Prime hopping universe to universe killing the Earth's greatest heros over and over prior to running into Monarch had no effect on his limited absorbed power from the Guardian - and that Monarch's one solid blow he landed that seemed to have any true effect [and one of maybe three overall, iirc?].. a nuke-level blast knocked the amp right out of him and constituted he not only was beating his ass, but was far more powerful .. despite losing the fight.

And somehow I'm the hater here?

Laughable bro. Really.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not really, I never detracted from their accomplish besides pointing out that it's not as impressive as Prime and why I feel that way. I never threw around the reverse ninja effect excuse, and I never said Sodam sucked, but rather, that he was impressive doing what none of the team could seem to do against Prime, but noting that still left him as a minor inconvenience at most against Prime's power which is both evident in direct comparison and by his own admission that his heritage ring and ION abilities didn't grant him enough pure power to defeat Prime.

Originally posted by Juntai
If you want to roundabout make a comparison of the instances and say Sodam by effect, was nearly as impressive as Adam by default, be my guest, I'll cross that road when I come to it. But that by no means put him near Prime, who was still leaps and bounds ahead of that as Sodam Yat was no match against him.

Originally posted by Juntai
Despite all of what Adam did in that week, he didn't run into any real resistance until he encountered that JSA lineup at the end, I'm quite positive none of those regular civilians he was killing in those countries days prior to that mounted any real threat to him. And although we whipped ass, Adam went down to the group of the heros once he encountered them. Superboy Prime ended up slapping them around, defeated Sodam Yat, was beasting on the Lanterns too, even a couple of Guardians and punked the Anti-Monitor, and eventually had to be BFRed.

Originally posted by Juntai
Though [b]your double standard is actually amusing, when you'll give credit to Black Adam for running over regular humans for a week as if he were in a war for his life, and that's part of the reason he was eventually downed .. . but amped Prime hopping universe to universe killing the Earth's greatest heros over and over prior to running into Monarch had no effect on his limited absorbed power from the Guardian - and that Monarch's one solid blow he landed that seemed to have any true effect [and one of maybe three overall, iirc?].. a nuke-level blast knocked the amp right out of him and constituted he not only was beating his ass, but was far more powerful .. despite losing the fight.

And somehow I'm the hater here?

Laughable bro. Really. [/B]

So you tell me when, before Prime met Monarch, he was portrayed as having been tortured, taken to his physical limits or described as dying. Nothing? So Prime pretty much effortlessly ran through those universes and met no real resistance until Monarch? So there was nothing to indicate he was sorely taxed, if at all, right before he met Monarch? Hmph. Don't try to act like he went through non-stop hell like WWIII Black Adam did such that by the time he met Monarch he must have used up his Guardian amp substantially. That's ridiculous and, in no way, indicated at all. What was obvious was that Prime was rip-roaring ready to go when he engaged Monarch, as powerful as ever, and lost his amp after having it beaten about of him by Monarch in a single fight that would have ended badly for Prime but for the kamikaze attack.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0

So you tell me when, before Prime met Monarch, he was portrayed as having been tortured, taken to his physical limits or described as dying. Nothing? So Prime pretty much effortlessly ran through those universes and met no real resistance until Monarch? So there was nothing to indicate he was sorely taxed, if at all, right before he met Monarch? Hmph. Don't try to act like he went through non-stop hell like WWIII Black Adam did such that by the time he met Monarch he must have used up his Guardian amp substantially. That's ridiculous and, in no way, indicated at all. What was obvious was that Prime was rip-roaring ready to go when he engaged Monarch, as powerful as ever, and lost his amp after having it beaten about of him by Monarch in a single fight that would have ended badly for Prime but for the kamikaze attack.