Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
What does that have to do with abortion? People make a big deal about killing animals but they don't when it comes to killing of babies. I would think that murdering a human baby would be much more imporant then killing an animal.
Do you realize that there is a rather large movement in the US still trying to repeal Roe Vs. Wade?
Originally posted by ADarksideJediI agree. But nobody's killing babies: abortion is about killing a fetus, which does not have the mental life of even a cow or a chicken, or a baby. Yet many people don't give a second thought about killing animals, which have a full, emotional life, knowing pleasure, joy, and in some cases, even love.
What does that have to do with abortion? People make a big deal about killing animals but they don't when it comes to killing of babies. I would think that murdering a human baby would be much more imporant then killing an animal.
Originally posted by ADarksideJediThen they can't be breathing. You implied they were with ...
Yes so what if they are still in there mothers.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi ...does not mean that it is not breathing.
Originally posted by ADarksideJediWhen did I say they weren't alive?
What proof do you have that they are not alive?
Anyways...have you ever had a pet?
1. If so, what?
2. For how long?
3. Did you love it?
4. Did it love you?
You impress me as someone who can be very kind and probably loves animals. But I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Mindship
Animals breathe. Fetuses do not (they're still inside their mothers).
I'd like to be an ass and point out that babies (it's hard for me to call it any other thing than that...can I call it "developing human" or "developing proto-human"?) inside the womb do breath the amniotic fluid. I've heard some doctors say that this is practice to strengthen their lungs' functionality.
Soooo...
What now, son? WHAT NOW!?!?!?!? 😆
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'd like to be an ass and point out that babies (it's hard for me to call it any other thing than that...can I call it "developing human" or "developing proto-human"?) inside the womb do breath the amniotic fluid. I've heard some doctors say that this is practice to strengthen their lungs' functionality.Soooo...
What now, son? WHAT NOW!?!?!?!? 😆
Originally posted by Mindship
Yes, but I'm sure you know (hence the assness) they're not actually getting oxygen from the fluid. It's not 'real' breathing.
Yup: via fetal circulation. However, that "womb" breathing is necessary to real breathing once they exit the womb.
Edit - What I mean: making a distinction on "breathing" really doesn't matter since the "breathing" the fetus/baby does is every bit as necessary for its long-term survival as breathing like an animal.
Originally posted by dadudemonIsn't pretty much everything that happens in the womb "every bit as necessary for its long-term survival as breathing like an animal"? Yes, breathing amniotic fluid is important, but it is a rehearsal function, clearly distinct from breathing air to get oxygen for actual minute by minute survival. (I'm also pretty sure breathing amniotic fluid is not what people have in mind when they describe something as a "living, breathing creature," given that most people are not aware of the amniotic breathing). Also, abortions are supposed to be done before fetal viability takes hold: before a fetus could actually even breathe air on its own (I believe this is why abortions are banned by the third trimester, given that now the fetus could function independent of a womb or an ICU).
Yup: via fetal circulation. However, that "womb" breathing is necessary to real breathing once they exit the womb.Edit - What I mean: making a distinction on "breathing" really doesn't matter since the "breathing" the fetus/baby does is every bit as necessary for its long-term survival as breathing like an animal.
Originally posted by Mindship
Isn't pretty much everything that happens in the womb "every bit as necessary for its long-term survival as breathing like an animal"? Yes, breathing amniotic fluid is important, but it is a rehearsal function, clearly distinct from breathing air to get oxygen for actual minute by minute survival. (I'm also pretty sure breathing amniotic fluid is not what people have in mind when they describe something as a "living, breathing creature," given that most people are not aware of the amniotic breathing). Also, abortions are supposed to be done before fetal viability takes hold: before a fetus could actually even breathe air on its own (I believe this is why abortions are banned by the third trimester, given that now the fetus could function independent of a womb or an ICU).
So why was there an arbitrary line drawn that 'breathing' was necessary? Did you do that? Did ADSJ do that?
Also, you greatly underestimate my ability to argue about the tiniest of details simply for the point of pontification. estahuh
When someone says "babies don't breathe in the womb" I automatically think, "au contraire mon frere. 313"
Originally posted by dadudemon
So why was there an arbitrary line drawn that 'breathing' was necessary? Did you do that? Did ADSJ do that?
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It is a human just because it does not look like one does not mean that it is not breathing. I don't understand why people don't understand that.
Originally posted by dadudemonThis I need to work on.
Also, you greatly underestimate my ability to argue about the tiniest of details simply for the point of pontification. estahuh
Originally posted by Mindship
Now I hope she'll still answer my questions about having a pet. She strikes me as a dog person, but I'd really be surprised if she said she never had a pet.This I need to work on.
She strikes me as a cat person.
But, yeah, if breathing is what people deem as "alive", I'd say a heartbeat is more telling if something is alive than breathing...mostly because fetuses don't need to breath to survive in the womb by they need a heartbeat.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
My parents have a dog and me and my husband has a cat.
Yup, a cat person. 😬