Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
What bothers me is she probably spent thousands of dollars for 6 years to be pregnant, then she claims she is not "financially secure".She practically threw the credibility of her statement out the window.
Being as financially irresponsible as one is financially insecure isn't exactly surprising.
Originally posted by Mindship
Eh. I was going to make a point about presence of mind, mental functioning...but it doesn't really matter.
Some people consider everything sacred and killing any living thing is bad...except for plants for some reason. You know this. I thought that this is similar to where you wanted to go with it.
I never got that: some plants have far more complex genetic structures than we do. Why do we draw arbitrary lines?
Originally posted by dadudemonThis is why I like those cultures, which live off the land, that when they kill a creature for food, they thank it (or offer thanks in some form). To borrow a pop phrase from "Avatar": 'I see you'.
Some people consider everything sacred and killing any living thing is bad...
Originally posted by dadudemonI was just going to go in the same direction as with the vegetarianism.
I thought that this is similar to where you wanted to go with it.
Interestingly enough, what recently floored me was a Discovery program I saw not too long ago about Komodo dragons. A man had raised a dragon from hatchlinghood, and as he talked about it, he was scratching the dragon on the head as one would a dog, and -- get this -- the dragon responded in kind, ie, as a dog would, closing its eyes, nuzzling the owner's leg, etc. I did not think the reptilian brain was capable of such (apparent) emotion.
Originally posted by dadudemonProbably more than anything else, for human convenience, or what we project onto certain animals/living things. I can still remember that M*A*S*H* episode where Colonel Potter vehemently objected to the killing of a horse because it is a "noble" animal. Yet...killing, carving and cooking cow parts...that's okay.
I never got that: some plants have far more complex genetic structures than we do. Why do we draw arbitrary lines?
For what it's worth, I recently swore off veal.
Originally posted by Mindship
Probably more than anything else, for human convenience, or what we project onto certain animals/living things. I can still remember that M*A*S*H* episode where Colonel Potter vehemently objected to the killing of a horse because it is a "noble" animal. Yet...killing, carving and cooking cow parts...that's okay.For what it's worth, I recently swore off veal.
To be honest, I know the line isn't arbitrary: it's because humans like to make everything human and things with traits that can resemble humans are more difficult to kill. (Emotions like fright and pain.)
I still see it as arbitrary. And I know someone will take it that far so I'll go there already: Yes, I'm saying we can eat eachother! 😆
Yes, I'm kidding. But someone was bound to go there.
Originally posted by ADarksideJediI never said they didn't. 😉
Which is what babies have. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
flirt
Originally posted by inimalistSo, that's the kind of stuff I have to write to get more responses to my posts??
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawt
God bless the lower chakras.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Then what were you saying?
Originally posted by MindshipThis is where we started. Remember: discussion was about a fetus, (not a "baby"😉, 28 weeks (or less) into development, something that can not live outside the womb on its own, or without machines, like a baby can (or even a 3rd trimester fetus, which is why abortion is illegal by then). There are significant differences here, mentally and physically.
IMO, this is about personhood, not life. There is no identity, no "I", no mind comparable to even what a cow or a chicken might have.
I learned something new, today.
I had no idea that Hitler "declassified" Jews as not human specifically so it would not violate the 6th commandment of "thou shalt not kill". He thought that through. 😐
I did not know that until today.
I learned that because it was the anti-abortion apologetic used about abortion.