Originally posted by MarvelknightI agree entirely.
But others have not proveda. Cap has what it takes to put down IF
b. Cap can take shots from IF
Others have not proved Cap can put down IF, and that he can take shots from IF.
For a Cap fan, you're very reasonable. As a reasonable IF fan myself, Danny kills him without trying
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I agree entirely.Others have not proved Cap can put down IF, and that he can take shots from IF.
For a Cap fan, you're very reasonable. As a reasonable IF fan myself, Danny kills him without trying
I'm not blind either.. I see that scans of Steve fly by here. Lets ignore all of Cap' feats right? It's not like Cap has beaten foes far more powerful than himself... 🙄
Cap has hurt others far more durable than Danny and even put them down. But not IF...? Wow...
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Being superior isn't enough... If that be the case. Cap wouldn't have taken down a lot of the foes he has through out his career...
Being better than Cap both physically and in terms of skill isn't enough to win?
Originally posted by MarvelknightApparently not... unless you're typing on a braille computer or something. You could be blind in one eye though, or have seeing problems. Do you wear glasses or contacts by any chance?
I'm not blind either.. I see that scans of Steve fly by here. Lets ignore all of Cap' feats right? It's not like Cap has beaten foes far more powerful than himself... 🙄Cap has hurt others far more durable than Danny and even put them down. But not IF...? Wow...
Let's ignore all of The Fist's feats right? It's not like The Fist has beaten foes far more powerful than himself... 🙄
Fist has hurt others far more durable than Steven and even put them down. But not CA...? Wow...
Aren't interchangable arguments fun?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Apparently not... unless you're typing on a braille computer or something. You could be blind in one eye though, or have seeing problems. Do you wear glasses or contacts by any chance?Let's ignore all of The Fist's feats right? It's not like The Fist has beaten foes far more powerful than himself... 🙄
Fist has hurt others far more durable than Steven and even put them down. But not CA...? Wow...
Aren't interchangable arguments fun?
That isn't working here...
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You conceded he was Steve's slight superior in terms of skill.This false dichotomy between MA skill and 'fighting skill' is just nonsense.
No, it's fact and common sense. Because knowing more styles does not mean you are the better fighter...
Originally posted by Marvelknight
No and he never was. Cap has always been more skilled. Logic here is lost and not found...IF just got more powerful not more skilled...
Originally posted by MarvelknightIf its common sense why are you the only one here who subscribes to it?
That isn't working here...No, it's fact and common sense.
Oh wait that's right, you're the only sane man here.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
He didn't blitz Panther. He did a combo on him after he hurt him by finally landing a blood lusted IF tech....LOL and then repeated the hits on him.
So most blitz instances are now invalid because the guy who got blitzed hasn't recovered from the first blow? 😛
You can't deny his superior punching speed in that fight.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Getting a few licks is some times all anyone needs? By that logic Cap shield strikes a few licks of those is all he needs as well or just his regular punches. Better hand speed. Heck better overall speed from his feats of block simultaneous beams. To block multiple beams in different areas with his shield before to even playing in beams under zero gravity.
IF can take more holding back punches from Cap than the other way round.
Lasers job uhuh
Originally posted by Daredevil1
No in that match up Danny did not look clearly look faster against BP. Me thinks your bias is reeking in if you think that. BP was even blocked one of Danny's leg kicks implying there speed really isn't that far(at least in that match up)Cap doesn't have the vibranium. He doesn't need it he has something called a shield, that won't shred apart like BP was in his match up against blood lusted Danny.
Again, Danny wasn't in his right mind. So BP not only had the agility advantage, but skill as well.
Won't shred apart, but won't save him forever. Danny can hit the shield on purpose and send Cap flying 😛
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap healed a bullet to the head in 12 minutes and has healed burns right after the fact.
You're taking that "burned hands" feat way too literally.
Originally posted by Deadline
Care to prove it, instead of just making statements.
Nothing I need to prove. On average, his striking power with IF (even while not using full power) is more impressive than Cap's. Therefore him one-shotting Cap is more probable. Simple.
Originally posted by Deadline
You are probably exaggerating again. Again Luke had to throw him, no it's not obvious if he actually manages to destroy the object with his hands before the rest of the body reached the target. Cap has survived explosions as well. Does that mean he can make his body invulnerable? Care to stop jumping to conclusions.Scans?
Cap never survived an explosion like that train.
I'll post the scans of the plane feat soon.
Originally posted by Deadline
That was after BP put tech on IF, that drove IF crazy so that doesn't count. Context?
On the beginning of the fight he was showing similar striking speed ermm Cap can't evade such a barrage of punches and blocking one would result in losing his balance...
Originally posted by Deadline
They were the slowest beams in the whole world, it's obvious. He wasn't shielding himself he was blocking them with one hand without his shield
When was this? He didn't, y'know, get injured that way?
Originally posted by Deadline
Just because he can do a ground pound doesn't mean it's going to work.
It's more likely to work than Cap's shield throw.
Originally posted by Deadline
Haven't proven hes faster, has no limits and become a living bullet without assistance from Luke Cage.
When it comes to striking speed, he is good enough to force BP into defensive...
By no limits I meant that his classic limits concerning his IF don't apply. And modern incarnation can amp both fists, remember.
You're not really familiar with the legendary train feat, are you? Danny didn't need Luke to throw him then.
Originally posted by Deadline
Learn to read, that was before I realised IF isn't going to use full force. This debate would be much better if you understood the concept of context.
Take your own advice.
Originally posted by Deadline
Iron Man pulled his punches?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DD1 said he was bloodlusted. They're not discussing the Civil War fight now.
What's wrong with you? So it's ok for you to skip some posts, but not when someone else does it? Why do you always have to act like an ass on this forum?
Originally posted by Marvelknight
No and he never was. Cap has always been more skilled. Logic here is lost and not found...IF just got more powerful not more skilled...
He's more skilled. He knows martial arts that Steve does not as well as a vast majority of those he does know of. He has chi capabilities to enhance his attributes to say nothing of achieving effects such as healing himself.
And he's significantly more powerful to boot.
So, yeah I don't get how Steve is going to beat someone who's at least as skilled as him and significantly more powerful as well.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's more skilled. He knows martial arts that Steve does not as well as a vast majority of those he does know of. He has chi capabilities to enhance his attributes to say nothing of achieving effects such as healing himself.And he's significantly more powerful to boot.
So, yeah I don't get how Steve is going to beat someone who's at least as skilled as him and significantly more powerful as well.
Because CIS... Or is that something to be ignored here too?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's more skilled. He knows martial arts that Steve does not as well as a vast majority of those he does know of. He has chi capabilities to enhance his attributes to say nothing of achieving effects such as healing himself.And he's significantly more powerful to boot.
So, yeah I don't get how Steve is going to beat someone who's at least as skilled as him and significantly more powerful as well.
Knowing more styles doesn't mean you are a better fighter period...