tat' what I'm saying. i thought you saying he wouldn't do it was mirroring marvelknight and daredevils earlier comments about how Steve easily takes more so anything less won't do much but cis says he won't use enough to do it.
so i was commenting that he can mess steve up without full force. I've always been stating that both can hurt the other
Originally posted by Deadline
CIS he's not going to use that much power.I think he only did that once. Scans?
But he's going to use enough power to knock him out.
He did that again in New Avengers when Luke fastball special'd him and destroyed that plane.
Honestly, I could see Danny blitz Cap like he did to Panther. His punching speed is ridiculous, as proven then and in the fight with that creature with kinetic energy absorption power.
As for the "machine gun" feat (guy was using wrist weapons similar to Deadshot's, except they were firing flechettes)... I believe Trackz was thinking about Rand deflecting every flechette from close range with his bare hands. Can't see Cap replicating that.
He actually did use chi-healing during the fight once, when he recovered from the brainwashing in T-Bolts. Oh, and he can shoot chi 😛
Danny's power level is siginificantly higher than Cap's. That's all the advantage he needs, because like I said before, skill-wise they're close.
Danny isn't blitzing Cap. A guy that easily ran past Daredevil and he won't be fighting like he did against Panther with such power full IF tech as he was blood lusted. It wasn't the blitzing that was bothering Panther but the energy was shredding his suit. Danny won't get that luxury with Cap's shield.
Plus you thought Danny's hand speed was fast by Tracks classic feat of fletchet slapping.
Cap also caught Danny's hand strike speed "easily" while he was dong it for Misty's sake as he put it. Since Danny fans are impressed by the speed of classice Danny's hand movements.
As for fletchetes Cap has better speed feats anyways.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWHonestly, I could see Danny blitz Cap like he did to Panther. His punching speed is ridiculous
It's not like BP didn't prove himself to be fast either in that match up. He was fast enough to hit Danny as well and even fast enough to put him in a leg lock.
He even was fast enough to put Danny inside one of those barrel dumpsters.
And lastly was fast enough to use his tech on Danny.
In that fight both showed they were fast Stiltman. Of course if you just focus on Danny's hits alone(and ignore the other), one would come to a illogical idea that Danny was faster.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But he's going to use enough power to knock him out.
and vice versa.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did that again in New Avengers when Luke fastball special'd him and destroyed that plane.
Um I think Luke threw him and Danny put his hands in front of him and since Luke isn't throwing him in this thread it means nothing.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Honestly, I could see Danny blitz Cap like he did to Panther. His punching speed is ridiculous, as proven then and in the fight with that creature with kinetic energy absorption power.
What on earth are you taking about? When did he blitz panther? Crack?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
As for the "machine gun" feat (guy was using wrist weapons similar to Deadshot's, except they were firing flechettes)... I believe Trackz was thinking about Rand deflecting every flechette from close range with his bare hands. Can't see Cap replicating that.
Cap blocked energy beams? Energy beams > flechettes? See where I'm going with this? Enough with the Iron Fist stroking.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He actually did use chi-healing during the fight once, when he recovered from the brainwashing in T-Bolts. Oh, and he can shoot chi 😛
I don't even think that was during a fight....he recovered from brainwashing.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Danny's power level is siginificantly higher than Cap's. That's all the advantage he needs, because like I said before, skill-wise they're close.
Wanna stop exaggerating?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure how claiming Danny's power level being significantly higher than Steve's is an exaggeration?
Claiming that hes going to speedblitz and has better speed feats is. It doesn't matter wether he can hit harder, Cap can hist just as hard with his shield.
He's exaggerating.
Originally posted by DeadlineWhat on earth are you taking about? When did he blitz panther? Crack?
He's talking about the end of the Panther fight, after Panther placed his tech on Danny. Danny caught Panther bad at the end of the match with his IF tech and then repeatedly hit him 4-5 more times with those blood lusted iron fist techs. The guy is trying to kill him. So that is moot for this match up.
As it's a testament to Danny's own speed for finally catching him with a good shot in the end. But different circumstance as he was relentless and in kill mode as he hurt Panther and just kept on hitting him with it(until the tech affected Danny).
But to say Danny's speed is superior to Panthers from that fight is a joke considering one has to take in the whole match up, with what occurred and the circumstances behind the fight.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
He's talking about the end of the Panther fight, after Panther placed his tech on Danny. Danny caught Panther bad at the end of the match with his IF tech and then repeatedly hit him 4-5 more times with those blood lusted iron fist techs. The guy is trying to kill him. So that is moot for this match up.
The tech obvoulsy drove him crazier which is why it happened. So it's not something he did under his own power so it doesn't count. Wow grasping at straws.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Danny isn't blitzing Cap. A guy that easily ran past Daredevil and he won't be fighting like he did against Panther with such power full IF tech as he was blood lusted. It wasn't the blitzing that was bothering Panther but the energy was shredding his suit. Danny won't get that luxury with Cap's shield.Plus you thought Danny's hand speed was fast by Tracks classic feat of fletchet slapping.
Cap also caught Danny's hand strike speed "easily" while he was dong it for Misty's sake as he put it. Since Danny fans are impressed by the speed of classice Danny's hand movements.
As for fletchetes Cap has better speed feats anyways.
Remember when Cage mistook (depowered) Panther for DeeDee at the end of Shadowland? He said that he's never seen Matt move that fast 😎 Blitzing HSH Panther > running past Murdock.
Getting a few licks in is all he needs. He is more than capable of doing that.
Danny wasn't at 100% then, but sure, it was a nice feat for Cap.
Better hand speed? Not really.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
It's not like BP didn't prove himself to be fast either in that match up. He was fast enough to hit Danny as well and even fast enough to put him in a leg lock.He even was fast enough to put Danny inside one of those barrel dumpsters.
And lastly was fast enough to use his tech on Danny.
In that fight both showed they were fast Stiltman. Of course if you just focus on Danny's hits alone(and ignore the other), one would come to a illogical idea that Danny was faster.
He had his moments in that fight, like Thor did vs Wolverine... but Danny clearly looked faster. BP used his superior agility and skill against mind-controlled IF. Cap doesn't have vibranium suit to protect him, IF hits harder than he did then.
Originally posted by Deadline
and vice versa.
Yes, but Danny is much more likely to one-shot Cap than the other way round.
Originally posted by Deadline
Um I think Luke threw him and Danny put his hands in front of him and since Luke isn't throwing him in this thread it means nothing.
One hand. And? He still was uninjured despite his lack of adamantium bones or HF. It was obvious he survived that explosion same way he did in that train instance. "I'm becoming a human bullet".
Danny can just leap in Cap's direction.
Originally posted by Deadline
What on earth are you taking about? When did he blitz panther? Crack?
BP's book? By Priest, I think.
Originally posted by Accel
Here is a respect thread dedicated to one the most skilled fighters in Marvel. As usual, I stole a bunch of scans. Credit for most of these goes to Pendaran.Iron Fist vs Black Panther:
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Originally posted by Deadline
Cap blocked energy beams? Energy beams > flechettes? See where I'm going with this? Enough with the Iron Fist stroking.
Depends what energy beams. Shielding oneself is much easier than deflecting each projectile with just hands.
Originally posted by Deadline
I don't even think that was during a fight....he recovered from brainwashing.
Yeah, chi-heal is not yet valid in forum fights. But technically speaking it makes him more powerful.
Originally posted by Deadline
Wanna stop exaggerating?
Ground pounds. Anime-esque striking speed. IF spam, no limits. Can become a living bullet.
Sorry, I don't see Cap winning here. And neither does you:
Originally posted by Deadline
Danny needs just one good hit. Sorry Cap IF FTW.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Remember when Cage mistook (depowered) Panther for DeeDee at the end of Shadowland? He said that he's never seen Matt move that fast 😎 Blitzing HSH Panther > running past Murdock.Getting a few licks in is all he needs. He is more than capable of doing that.
Danny wasn't at 100% then, but sure, it was a nice feat for Cap.
Better hand speed? Not really.
He had his moments in that fight, like Thor did vs Wolverine... but Danny clearly looked faster. BP used his superior agility and skill against mind-controlled IF. Cap doesn't have vibranium suit to protect him, IF hits harder than he did then.
He didn't blitz Panther. He did a combo on him after he hurt him by finally landing a blood lusted IF tech....LOL and then repeated the hits on him.
Getting a few licks is some times all anyone needs? By that logic Cap shield strikes a few licks of those is all he needs as well or just his regular punches. Better hand speed. Heck better overall speed from his feats of block simultaneous beams. To block multiple beams in different areas with his shield before to even playing in beams under zero gravity.
No in that match up Danny did not look clearly look faster against BP. Me thinks your bias is reeking in if you think that. BP was even blocked one of Danny's leg kicks implying there speed really isn't that far(at least in that match up)
Cap doesn't have the vibranium. He doesn't need it he has something called a shield, that won't shred apart like BP was in his match up against blood lusted Danny.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYes, but Danny is much more likely to one-shot Cap than the other way round.
Care to prove it, instead of just making statements.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWOne hand. And? He still was uninjured despite his lack of adamantium bones or HF. It was obvious he survived that explosion same way he did in that train instance. "I'm becoming a human bullet".
Danny can just leap in Cap's direction.
You are probably exaggerating again. Again Luke had to throw him, no it's not obvious if he actually manages to destroy the object with his hands before the rest of the body reached the target. Cap has survived explosions as well. Does that mean he can make his body invulnerable? Care to stop jumping to conclusions.
Scans?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWBP's book? By Priest, I think.
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That was after BP put tech on IF, that drove IF crazy so that doesn't count. Context?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWDepends what energy beams. Shielding oneself is much easier than deflecting each projectile with just hands.
They were the slowest beams in the whole world, it's obvious. He wasn't shielding himself he was blocking them with one hand without his shield
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWGround pounds. Anime-esque striking speed. IF spam, no limits. Can become a living bullet.
Just because he can do a ground pound doesn't mean it's going to work. Haven't proven hes faster, has no limits and become a living bullet without assistance from Luke Cage.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWSorry, I don't see Cap winning here. And neither does you:
Learn to read, that was before I realised IF isn't going to use full force. This debate would be much better if you understood the concept of context.
Basically, Danny has to hobble himself in order for Cap to stand a chance of taking the majority. So, yeah, if we assume Danny decides not to use the maximum level of his chi output short of killing or greviously injuring Cap and decides "what the hey, eating some shield sounds really good right about now", Rogers can beat him for the majority.
Originally posted by Deadline
Just because you can hang with somebody doesn't even mean you have equal h2h skills. Who beat him? Well I tell you what it's been stated on-panel that Cap is better than Shang Chi, and that was stated by Zaran. Zaran has fought Shang Chi at least several times and has studied Cap as well. Has anybody stated that about Iron Fist?What about IF's track record against Spiderman has he ever owned Spiderman before? Has he ever used tactical h2h skills to disable Wolverine's claws? Sorry IF tactically isn't on the same level.
So your defintion of not getting beaten is getting punched in the face numerous times while not being able to land a punch? Ok got it. He lost his shield because Cap was setting Spiderman up for a nerve strike. Thats not my opinion thats what Spiderman said and Spiderman said he was outclassed. Spiderman has never said that about Iron Fist or anybody else for that matter.
You don't know that he was going to dismantle him and if he was it was only because of his mechanical arms. If you read the fight again its the only thing that gave Spiderman and advantage because Cap hadn't studied Spiderman using them.
Uhhhhhh Cap is going to hit IF with it? See where I'm going with this? It's irrelevant if he's not using chi force.
As I already explained CIS is on. IF is not going to use full force. Danny used the IF on Paladin and it didn't do much at all. Hell Paladin was too fast for him and Danny resorted to a ground smash.
Because TM caught it between his fingers and his hands weren't super durable. Danny caught it in the palm of his hands.
Yes he did, he knew they were outside the window and told the guy to get down. Danny has been able to hear people sweating.
Then it was PIS.
Ok well first, there are always conflicting statements regarding fighters. T'Challa has stated Shang-Chi is the most reputed fighter around, and T'Challa has stalemated and beat Steve a couple of times. As for Cap's "tactics" in order to prevent Wolverine from using his claws, he lost his shield and left himself open to a kick that basically ended the fight before it began...so much for him being a tactical genius.
Spiderman had been conflicted the whole fight, he still managed to take the shield out of play and was about to get serious when Steve ran off, landing a whole bunch of blows that did next to nothing is hardly winning the fight.
Only way Cap hits IF with the shield is if Ironfist suddenly forgets about his super human reflexes, most fights I've seen with Steve against other skilled characters always wind up with him losing his shield...happened against Wolverine, T'Challa, and Daredevil just from the top of my head (the latter too managed to take the shield for themselves)
Paladin was getting owned....their fight wasn't even a competition, and Ironfist not one-shotting him is real PIS.
It's still a feat of speed Steve hasn't matched.
Found these old scans, before any upgrades and what not. Shows Fist hitting the shield.
1. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/fist1.jpg/
2. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/fist2.jpg/
3. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/508/fist3.jpg/
4. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/fist4.jpg/
5. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/fist5.jpg/
