Originally posted by jalek moye
So Steve taking Iron Man and Namor isn't pis because he's done it before and just show how durable he is. Yet Batroc taking an IF punch shows that Danny's attack is weak and isn't simply a low showing unlike his many high ones?Cuz Danny has consistently dropped very durable people and things but it only counts for steve right? 🙄
No that's not pis... You can call it a low showing if you want.
But the shield is here people, it's here. And in the hands of Cap. So unless Cap forgot how to defend and counter attack with it. He's holding his own here..
Originally posted by jalek moye
He wasn't using Chi thought beyond what he needs to live. Unless you think he can't even knock Logan down with a direct hit to the face and back? He even said he wasn't trying as hard as Logan was.
He coughed before saying he wasn't trying as hard. And Logan answered with a sure.
You do know what that implies, right?
Originally posted by jalek moye
You are acting like Batroc taking it is the norm yet want us to accept Steve taking Namor the norm. You can't take shitty danny ones and only the highest steve ones.
To be fair I only brought it up because Danny fans were sure that Danny's head is durable enough to with stand a full on Iron Fist technique.
But that scan sure fails to illustrate that it was indeed a very maxed out power full one hence why I brought up Batroc.
If Cap's damage soak from Namor is not that norm for you. Do you see Danny surviving 200 ft falls from a plane or letting War Machine crash land you via a high altitude as a blunt impact weapon?
Now I could see Danny surviving these type of falls through the use of his mystical ki tricks or Iron Fist to burst the ground and re-direct him. But other then that could he?
Originally posted by jalek moye
You are acting like Batroc taking it is the norm yet want us to accept Steve taking Namor the norm. You can't take shitty danny ones and only the highest steve ones.
I said you can call it what you want. I neither care or disagree, because it's irrelevant... What is relevant, is the fact that Steve IS more tactical and has MORE experience. The fact that Cap can and will defend against IF more powerful attacks and counter attack with his shield.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
To be fair I only brought it up because Danny fans were sure that Danny's head is durable enough to with stand a full on Iron Fist technique.But that scan sure fails to illustrate that it was indeed a very maxed out power full one hence why I brought up Batroc.
If Cap's damage soak from Namor is not that norm for you. Do you see Danny surviving 200 ft falls from a plane or letting War Machine crash land you via a high altitude as a blunt impact weapon?
Now I could see Danny surviving these type of falls through the use of his mystical ki tricks or Iron Fist to burst the ground and re-direct him. But other then that could he?
200 foot falls yes. Being crashed down by War machine nope unless he was using chi to prepare himself or something.
My comment was directed at marvelknight though since he wants to only bring up that but seemed to use that as an explanation for Danny's power output. I'm saying if you only want to consider steves high durability showings don't look at something like Batroc and discredit the Class 100 attacks Danny has done.
That's all i'm saying
Originally posted by Marvelknight
I said you can call it what you want. I neither care or disagree, because it's irrelevant... What is relevant, is the fact that Steve IS more tactical and has MORE experienced. The fact that he can and will defend against IF more powerful attacks and counter attack with his shield.
The fact is his experience won't mean much here since it's not like Danny is a noob, he's a master as well, both of these chars have beaten chars more experienced than both of them combined after all.
The Fact is that Danny can take more steve's attacks then Steve can of Danny, yes the shield makes it close but Danny will get him and it only takes one to open steve up enough for the rest.
Originally posted by jalek moye
The fact is his experience won't mean much here since it's not like Danny is a noob, he's a master as well, both of these chars have beaten chars more experienced than both of them combined after all.The Fact is that Danny can take more steve's attacks then Steve can of Danny, yes the shield makes it close but Danny will get him and it only takes one to open steve up enough for the rest.
Not a fact... So Steve can't put Danny down with his strength along with the shield? I highly doubt that... He's put down others with skill and raw power alone. Steve knows where to hit and how. Classic or not. Danny was the only one dizzy during his fight with Steve. Steve taking less is unlikely when he has a indestructible weapon at his side, body armor and faster healing.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Not a fact... So Steve can't put Danny down with his strength along with the shield? I highly doubt that... He's put down others with skill and raw power alone. Steve knows where to hit and how. Classic or not. Danny was the only one dizzy during his fight with Steve. Steve taking less is unlikely when he has a indestructible weapon at his side armor plus faster healing.
Just as much of a fact as your statement. And did I say he can't put Danny down no? what I said was Danny can put steve down in less hits than the other way around. You really think that Danny can take less direct this than Steve can take direct hits from Danny?
And classic vs current means a lot. It's a completely different powerlevel of the character, you can't honestly say that upgrades and downgrades don't matter when it comes to fights years later.
Originally posted by jalek moye
Just as much of a fact as your statement. And did I say he can't put Danny down no? what I said was Danny can put steve down in less hits than the other way around. You really think that Danny can take less direct this than Steve can take direct hits from Danny?And classic vs current means a lot. It's a completely different powerlevel of the character, you can't honestly say that upgrades and downgrades don't matter when it comes to fights years later.
How much stronger is Danny now compared to then?
Steve has spared with Valkyrie recently. So he definitely trains himself to take on heavy hitters.
I'm not buying Steve taking less from Danny, because he's taken more from stronger foes.
Originally posted by MarvelknightHe's also taken much less. Danny hits like a class 100 as well and has consistently dropped more durable people than Steve in a couple of blows. Steve generally speakings hits somewhere around 1-5 tons of force when it comes to bare knuckle, more with the shield. A class that Danny has no problem taking hits from. Yeah Steve has taken hits form Namor and them and ya know what? Danny has dropped people that have done the same.
How much stronger is Danny now compared to then?Steve has spared with Valkyrie. So he definitely trains himself to take on heavy hitters.
I'm not buying Steve taking less from Danny, because he's taken more from stronger foes.
As for how much Stronger over twice as strong at the every least along with his main weakness gone, since he has multiple times the chi reserves now no long limiting him to an Iron fist punch every now and than any attack can be a powerful chi one and he'll be fine. He has increased in every way since that fight by multiple levels.
Originally posted by Mindset
Durability/healing is about equal.
In Danny's early days, he was grappling with a walking nuclear reactor that was burning everything around him. Glowing radiation and everything. He was standing point blank when he exploded, leveling most of the building he was in, and it messed him up badly, to the point of near death, but he lived through it.. And than proceeded to use the IF to heal all his injuries.
slightly faster.
I think Cap only has one bullet timing feat, doesn't he? Where he blocks three or four bullets after they're fired, with the energy shield?
Danny has more similar feats, and some that are tons better.. I posted the scan of him pushing individual projectiles from a machine gun at point blank range. Like, we're talking what Roshi did at the start of Dragon Ball, when he caught each bullet from a machine gun and than just dropped them, only Danny didn't actually catch them, only fling each one to the side..
Skill wise they are about equal.
Caps pretty skilled, true.
What gives Danny the win is his destructive capabilities.
Well, they help, but remember Danny faced a dragon just to earn his Iron Fist, and he's faced and beaten Steel Serpent when he had it stolen, breaking bones in his body to do it. That's impressive, considering Steel Serpent was capable of tanking Spidey's punches, and briefly knocked him out with one punch. (And I know Spidey always holds back, but he was still impressed with how well Steel Serpent was taking his blows, even after he got more serious..)
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Classic or not. Danny was the only one dizzy during his fight with Steve.
You're ignoring an important detail..
He just fought with the Wrecking Crew. At the time, it was a strain to use the Iron Fist more than once a day, and he used it three times.
And like Jalek said, that's no longer an issue. Danny can keep tossing out as many IF's as he needs.