Originally posted by Marvelknight
Steve faced him before.. So it can't be farfetched for him to hold his own and beat IF physically. Cap has the feats to validate this. Steve has even beaten members of the Wrecking Crew, same as Danny has.
So, in your opinion, can Cap fight on an even level with Spidey?
Without his shield, since Danny uses his bare hands.
Originally posted by cdtm
So, in your opinion, can Cap fight on an even level with Spidey?Without his shield, since Danny uses his bare hands.
Danny uses his ki to boost his physically stats. Steve uses raw physically strength, speed and agility.
And to answer your question: Cap has against Spidey before, when Peter had the iron suit. Cap had his shield there. But Spidey didn't just use his physically superiority. Paker had a specialize armor suit plus webbing and Cap held his own still.
Cap has his shield here so that's what is truly relevant... What can Danny do to Cap shield is the better question here.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Steve faced him before.. So it can't be farfetched for him to hold his own and beat IF physically. Cap has the feats to validate this. Steve has even beaten members of the Wrecking Crew, same as Danny has.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
That's a good question. The nature of that attack, make me believe that most problely wouldn't avoid it or simply don't have the means to guard against it... Good thing Cap has that shield here.
His shield is a huge help, but - contrary to the popular belief - it doesn't absorb all of the force. He can lose his balance or get knocked down, even. And when he does, Danny can get some licks in. I could see Cap doing a similar trick with his shield throws though, like I said before.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Steve faced him before.. So it can't be farfetched for him to hold his own and beat IF physically. Cap has the feats to validate this. Steve has even beaten members of the Wrecking Crew, same as Danny has.
Fist has changed.
Separately yes, he has. But the whole team?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His shield is a huge help, but - contrary to the popular belief - it doesn't absorb all of the force. He can lose his balance or get knocked down, even. And when he does, Danny can get some licks in. I could see Cap doing a similar trick with his shield throws though, like I said before.Fist has changed.
Separately yes, he has. But the whole team?
No not the entire team. But certain members one on one, sure.
And if Steve gets knocked back, he can recover in mid air or roll on the ground back to his feet.
May not be the same IF but Steve hasn't been sitting around all theses years and is better himself now.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
If so.. I believe he needed help from the Avengers in dealing with them. IF and Cap lured them into a trap. IF held his own but was tired and need help.
He's talking about some other issue in which Danny solo'd the Crew and used the Iron Fist technique on Thunderball only.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
No not the entire team. But certain members one on one, sure.And if Steve gets knocked back, he can recover in mid air or roll on the ground back to his feet.
May not be the same IF but Steve hasn't been sitting around all theses years and is better himself now.
Taskmaster said Cap was at his best during the war. When Cap from that time period was transported to the present, guess what he did? Embarassed Extremis Iron Man 😎
Jokes aside, I don't doubt he's gotten better. But the upgrade IF received is quite... considerable, to say at least. I'm not sure Steve can handle him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's talking about some other issue in which Danny solo'd the Crew and used the Iron Fist technique on Thunderball only.Taskmaster said Cap was at his best during the war. When Cap from that time period was transported to the present, guess what he did? Embarassed Extremis Iron Man 😎
Jokes aside, I don't doubt he's gotten better. But the upgrade IF received is quite... considerable, to say at least. I'm not sure Steve can handle him.
Cap's shield stood up to a powerful blast from Sin's hammer. So I don't know what upgrade IF has that will be too much for Steve to handle with his shield. But Steve is better tactically with an enhanced mind. Whatever IF does in this fight won't work twice on Steve. And Moves like the shockwave will only cause the helicarrier to crash or be destroyed with both men on it.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Cap's shield stood up to a powerful blast from Sin's hammer. So I don't know what upgrade IF has that will be too much for Steve to handle with his shield. But Steve is better tactically with an enhanced mind. Whatever IF does in this fight won't work twice on Steve. And Moves like the shockwave will only cause the helicarrier to crash or be destroyed with both men on it.
He's not going to block all attacks, Iron Fist is too good.
Danny doesn't have to strike with all power. In New Avengers he disposed of Hand ninjas via ground pounds without endangering his teammates/causing serious earthquakes, iirc. And both him and Steve could just jump off it anyway. Rand would survive if he turned himself into a human "bullet".
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's not going to block all attacks, Iron Fist is too good.Danny doesn't have to strike with all power. In New Avengers he disposed of Hand ninjas via ground pounds without endangering his teammates/causing serious earthquakes, iirc. And both him and Steve could just jump off it anyway. Rand would survive if he turned himself into a human "bullet".
Yes and the attacks that do get trough won't just put Cap down and out. Cap can roll with his attacks as well. Steve knows how powerful IF is and won't let him land too many attacks that can cause real damge.
Steve's durability and fast healing will allow Steve to take several blows from Danny and should be noted.
Not sure why Spiderman is being brought up. But as far as track record Cap has done better against him then Danny. Calling it PIS sounds like a cop out.
Second there past fight leads me to say Steve for the win. I know Danny has improved but so has Steve considering how he treats most of his old rogues that aren't new.
Also because of the shield it will be more easier for Steve to hit Danny, then Danny to hit Steve IMO. Though I'm sure Danny can tag him of course. I just see more times Steve landing the KO hit, the majority times before Danny finds his.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yes and the attacks that do get trough won't just put Cap down and out. Cap can roll with his attacks as well. Steve knows how powerful IF is and won't let him land too many attacks that can cause real damge.Steve's durability and fast healing will allow Steve to take several blows from Danny and should be noted.
They'll do more damage than Cap's attacks, though.
Rand has taken the IF punch from some guy to his head and not only stayed alive, he wasn't even knocked out. His durability is nothing to laugh at either.