Captain America vs. Iron Fist

Originally posted by jalek moye
He's also taken much less. Danny hits like a class 100 as well and has consistently dropped more durable people than Steve in a couple of blows. Steve generally speakings hits somewhere around 1-5 tons of force when it comes to bare knuckle, more with the shield. A class that Danny has no problem taking hits from.

Cap's shield strikes have hurt/stunned Wonderman, Powerman, Hyde, Executioner, Wrecker, Ironman. Its like a mini IF technique.

He's even downed Thunderball briefly and made him bleed with just a regular punch.

I don't think that's a class that Dannys durability can take easily IMO. But obviously Cap won't be using his shield strike at that level. Just like Danny won't be throwing his 100 class IF tech because they are in character and not blood lusted fighting to the death.

So then its just a matter of who can set up the KO shot first or a strike that can leave them help less. This is where Cap will shine IMO because he can shield block and immediately counter strike.

But I doubt you will agree with me.

Originally posted by cdtm
You're ignoring an important detail..

He just fought with the Wrecking Crew. At the time, it was a strain to use the Iron Fist more than once a day, and he used it three times.

And like Jalek said, that's no longer an issue. Danny can keep tossing out as many IF's as he needs.

I'm not ignoring anything and already made note of that. I just know IF's stamina wasn't at Cap's level then or now. And he will get tired fighting way before Cap ever would. I think people are ignoring Cap's physical advantages over IF. Steve will still be fighting at his peak 3 hours into the fight. Will IF?

They wont be fighting for 3 hours...

Anyway, Danny has enhanced stamina from his chi.

They will definitely be fighting for more than an hour.
Also Danny's muscles still build up fatigue toxins over time. It's no contest there, Cap's has better physically conditioning via Super Soldier Serum inside and out.

IF

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Cap's good. Not that good. Danny takes him down for a hefty majority.

Iron Fist 8/10.

Yeah sure... That's not happening.

What's funny is that Maria Hill doesn't think Steve would've had any problems dealing with the likes of Daredevil or Luke Cage. But when it's IF, Cap can't complete the task. I highly doubt that.... Steve only getting two wins here is complete bullshit...

Steve didn't get hit fighting a group of armed elf warriors (no shield or weapons) within a small space, But he can't use his speed and agility to stay out of danger within an larger space to fight? Again BS...

Also IF isn't going to use such destructive power on the helicarrier because they are over N.Y.C. And if it crashes, people can be hurt or killed below and on board the helicarrier. Cis is on here people.

Patriotism > Chi

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Patriotism > Chi

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yeah sure... That's not happening.

What's funny is that Maria Hill doesn't think Steve would've had any problems dealing with the likes of Daredevil or Luke Cage. But when it's IF, Cap can't complete the task. I highly doubt that.... Steve only getting two wins here is complete bullshit...

Steve didn't get hit fighting a group of armed elf warriors (no shield or weapons) within a small space, But he can't use his speed and agility to stay out of danger within an larger space to fight? Again BS...

Also IF isn't going to use such destructive power on the helicarrier because they are over N.Y.C. And if it crashes, people can be hurt or killed below and on board the helicarrier. Cis is on here people.

And really outside of nerve strikes he shouldn't be phasing Luke since to mirror his argument "He's taken much more and been fine"

The facts are clear. IF even hit Cap with every ounce of power in that iron fist strike: not only did Cap block it but also withstood force of the impact when he crashed into the wall.

IF had just took on the Wrecking Crew, but still made note that he's NEVER faced an opponent like Cap before; whose POWER and SPEED are INCREDIBLE.

Cap has also been in sparring sessions with the likes of Valkyrie and has a list of superhuman opponents he's put down. Steve's build to hold his own against opponents like IF...

IF may have gotten better over the years, but his impression of Steve years ago will only be enforced, if Danny thinks he can walk over him now. And Cap was clearly better than IF then...

And again... Physical conditioning, stamina, healing, tactical assessment and fighting experience all favor Cap period.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
The facts are clear. IF even hit Cap with every ounce of power in that iron fist strike: not only did Cap block it but also withstood force of the impact when he crashed into the wall.

IF had just took on the Wrecking Crew, but still made note that he's NEVER faced an opponent like Cap before; whose POWER and SPEED are INCREDIBLE.

Because Pre Upgrade Danny and Post Upgrade Danny are way different.

Danny has faced people stronger and faster than Cap. 😬

Yes, it was pre.

Which he keeps bringing up for some reason.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, it was pre.

Which he keeps bringing up for some reason.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Was this pre upgrade?

Because Pre Upgrade Danny and Post Upgrade Danny are way different.

Danny has faced people stronger and faster than Cap. 😬

Pre as I made clear.

Cap's shield withstood Danny's full powered iron fist then and can now. Cap is still just as skilled now if not better, along with the same advantages I've already mention; better physical conditioning, stamina, better healing (no need to focus chi in mid battle), tactical assessment/strategist and fighting experience.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Pre as I made clear.

Cap's shield withstood Danny's full powered iron fist then and can now. Cap is still just as skilled now if not better, along with the same advantages I've already mention; better physical conditioning, stamina, better healing (no need to focus chi in mid battle), tactical assessment/strategist and fighting experience.

The physical conditioning is highly debatable.

and Steve isn't Wolverine he takes a while to heal, he isn't healing a fractured bone in seconds or anything like that. Making it not all that important since it will take a while

Who has a better HF, Spidey or Cap?

Iron fist 8/10. The trend in this thread seems to be to highball the hell out of cap while constantly referencing IFs lower range feats.

Originally posted by jalek moye
and Steve isn't Wolverine he takes a while to heal, he isn't healing a fractured bone in seconds or anything like that. Making it not all that important since it will take a while

He can heal that in a few hours and has healed fast on panel from bullets, cuts and burns. Tell me this, can IF take a bullet to the head and live?

Omega Vision, nothing is debatable about physical conditioning. Cap's muscles don't build up fatigue toxins, IF's does.