Originally posted by DeadlineWe've both seen "rolling with the blow" being the explicit reason an overpowered character doesn't get knocked out by a largely superior opponent. So Cap taking shots from Namor, something even Hawkeye has done several times, isn't PIS. And it's not just street levelers who rely on it against bricks. It's street-levelers vs street-levelers and heralds vs heralds who have even relied on it.
Actually you don't know that. IF isn't a brick.
Originally posted by MindsetIron Man had a better idea on what Cap could handle.
He can control how much power he wants to put behind his punches, and he has good idea on what Cap can handle.With cis he can oneshot Cap w/o killing him, I doubt he will though.
Still wins a large majority, as we both agree.
Still didn't mean Cap was getting one-shotted. Far from it actually. Iron Fist one-shotting Cap? Iron Fist is good. He's not that good. Cap's good enough that he won't get one-shotted.
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
We've both seen "rolling with the blow" being the explicit reason an overpowered character doesn't get knocked out by a largely superior opponent.So Cap taking shots from Namor, something even Hawkeye has done several times, isn't PIS. And it's not just street levelers who rely on it against bricks. It's street-levelers vs street-levelers and heralds vs heralds who have even relied on it. Iron Man had a better idea on what Cap could handle.
Excuse me how do you know every single time a street leveler gets hit by a brick they rolled with it? Namor is a bad example because he could have pulled the punches.
You're basically telling me thats what happens. Sorry every time theres PIS we just make some excsue. They might have rolled with it but you don't know for sure.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Still didn't mean Cap was getting one-shotted. Far from it actually. Iron Fist one-shotting Cap? Iron Fist is good. He's not that good. Cap's good enough that he won't get one-shotted.
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No He's good enough but he wouldn't no reason to risk such an injury to a friend. a couple of lesser ones will do good to put him out though.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap's shield strikes have hurt/stunned Wonderman, Powerman, Hyde, Executioner, Wrecker, Ironman. Its like a mini IF technique.He's even downed Thunderball briefly and made him bleed with just a regular punch.
I don't think that's a class that Dannys durability can take easily IMO. But obviously Cap won't be using his shield strike at that level. Just like Danny won't be throwing his 100 class IF tech because they are in character and not blood lusted fighting to the death.
So then its just a matter of who can set up the KO shot first or a strike that can leave them help less. This is where Cap will shine IMO because he can shield block and immediately counter strike.
But I doubt you will agree with me.
Originally posted by Deadline
Excuse me how do you know every single time a street leveler gets hit by a brick they rolled with it? Namor is a bad example because he could have pulled the punches.You're basically telling me thats what happens. Sorry every time theres PIS we just make some excsue. They might have rolled with it but you don't know for sure.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Do you know what the word "explicit" means?
We've both seen "rolling with the blow" being the explicit reason an overpowered character doesn't get knocked out by a largely superior opponent. So Cap taking shots from Namor, something even Hawkeye has done several times, isn't PIS. And it's not just street levelers who rely on it against bricks. It's street-levelers vs street-levelers and heralds vs heralds who have even relied on it. Iron Man had a better idea on what Cap could handle.
This reason is specifically stated hundreds of times in these sort of fights. It's ubiquitious. And I don't need it stated for every single punch that was ever thrown that didn't instantly result in a k.o. or decapitation. I find dismissing something to the point that it effectively never happened to be a far more needless and unjustified reaction when there's a perfectly good, tried-and-true reason to explain it.
Originally posted by jalek moye
He does but so do Cap. Don't get why you think Steve is so good to not get touched
Because I've read Avengers Prime issue #1. Nothing illogical about my reasoning. One has to be that good to not get hit against that many armed opponents in such a confine area. Cap was grazed by an arrow. No one landed an a attack. Cap one-shoted everyone in the house.
Steve has been nothing but badass since his return... Real talk.
Originally posted by MarvelknightHave you read any recent IF comics?
Because I've read Avengers Prime issue #1. Nothing illogical about my reasoning. One has to be that good to not get hit against that many armed opponents in such a confine area.Steve has been nothing but badass since his return... Real talk.
Like when he was fighting hordes of Hydra agents?
Pretty much every street leveler has feats of them not getting hit by a bunch of people in confined places.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah just as you won't agree with that we both agree its close just have a different view on who will do the finisher. I'm mainly arguing with Marvelknight based one what he says about captain America and Danny. Things like how he can't be touched, easily tank full power shots, can danny take a shot to the head?, etc the whole raise him up while dismissing the other ones high showings.
You we reached the point where not much else we cna really say. We agree on basically everything just that you think Captain will get the opening up shots more so than Danny I disagree. But since that mostly regards skills can't really argue. Since they are equals there
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you know what the word "explicit" means?
No I don't. I don't agree with you therefore that means I don't understand the english language.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This reason is specifically stated hundreds of times in these sort of fights. It's ubiquitious. And I don't need it stated for every single punch that was ever thrown that didn't instantly result in a k.o. or decapitation. I find dismissing something to the point that it effectively never happened to be a far more needless and unjustified reaction when there's a perfectly good, tried-and-true reason to explain it.
Sorry mate I've seen very few of those and millions of other examples of it not being mentioned. Wow I actually had a good reason to disagree. Maybe you should post these examples instead of being obnoxious.
Hell I even pointed out to you that Namor could have pulled his punches.
Originally posted by jalek moye
Yeah just as you won't agree with that we both agree its close just have a different view on who will do the finisher. I'm mainly arguing with Marvelknight based one what he says about captain America and Danny. Things like how he can't be touched, easily tank full power shots, can danny take a shot to the head?, etc the whole raise him up while dismissing the other ones high showings.You we reached the point where not much else we cna really say. We agree on basically everything just that you think Captain will get the opening up shots more so than Danny I disagree. But since that mostly regards skills can't really argue. Since they are equals there
There's nothing to ignore. Let's be real here... Steve already told Danny to his face that he is better i.e. more skilled and a better fighter. Cap made him his son and called him youngster lol...
So Danny's a little more powerful with better control over his chi and the iron fist... Steve is still the better fighter... Why? Because he always was and still keeps himself in peak condition physically and mentally. He's one the finest combatants on Earth with more fighting experience over IF...
Originally posted by Marvelknight
There's nothing to ignore. Let's be real here... Steve already told Danny to his face that's better i.e. more skilled and a better fighter. Cap made him his son and called him youngster lol...So Danny's a little more powerful with better control over his chi and the iron fist... Steve is still the better fighter... Why? Because he always was and still keeps himself in peak condition physically and mentally. He's one the finest combatants on Earth with more fighting experience over IF...
so his body staying in peak physical condition makes him a better fighter? Danny always keep his chi as good as it cane be and is trying to make it better that doesn't count? Him training just as often doesn't count? Danny is not just more powerful he is more skilled as well thanks to the previous Iron Fist helping him out. Once again his experience over Danny doesn't mean much when he has beaten people more experienced than both of them.
Their skill showings are basically equal all you have for evidence is an inferior Danny years ago saying he was less skilled. He has gotten much better over the years both through just different writers and through on panel learning. That fight doesn't apply to how things are currently.