Originally posted by golem370
If he had full nova force he would be as powerful as Supernova right? If so Richard wins because Supernova was hold his own against Thor Wonder Man Firelord Human Torch Quasar and others.
It's a little more complicated then that. See that little ball of energy that Richard is making a mad dash for in the scan?
That's the Nova force matrix. Essentially its just a conduit that harnesses vacuum energy from the universe, hence the whole "fundamental force of the universe limitless energy" hyperbole. Think of Richard's body as a bathtub with a pipe that is directly connected to the ocean, and the nova force matrix as the ocean. Richard usually only has the tub about 60-70% full, but can turn the knob and fill it up with more water as necessary.
Supernova is what happens when you leave the water running, the tub overflows and the water just runs everywhere. Richard has a modern system in place that siphons off the water and prevents it from overflowing in the first place.
Originally posted by dmills
This is prolly going to be the last time I respond to yet another Glads/Nova thread. On second thought I'll just bookmark this so that I can cut and paste this response when this inevitably comes up again.A significantly less powerful Nova fought Glads to a double tko before. And it was only a double KO then because Nova was drained from the discharge for plot reasons.
Currently Rider is significantly more powerful and more skilled with his power set as well. Glads is the same guy that he was when they fought 18 years ago. He punches things really hard and/or blasts things with heat vision, neither of which present a significant obstacle for Nova currently. So unless Glads has some new abilities that I don't know about I see no logical reason why the outcome of a fight between the two currently would result in anything other then a win for Nova.
Anybody that seen that fight can tell that Glads was holding back. Nova even admitted that Glads was out of his league. Nova couldnt even damage him until he absorbed his powers and sent it back to him a hundred folds. Hell, the difference in power was so significant that Nova did a full charge/blitz at Gladiator resulting in him bouncing off of Glads chest like he was a piece of paper.
Gladiator stood over Nova that was stunned TWICE in that fight only to mock him.
By the way, it didn't end in a double tko, Nova was knocked the hell out.
Gladiator stomps but Nova does good. Gladiator ran through a crew of Nova members without breaking a sweat...hell, he split one in half. Nova had trouble with Gladiator cousin and had to resort to dampening her powers because she was too strong.
Originally posted by carver9
Anybody that seen that fight can tell that Glads was holding back. Nova even admitted that Glads was out of his league. Nova couldnt even damage him until he absorbed his powers and sent it back to him a hundred folds. Hell, the difference in power was so significant that Nova did a full charge/blitz at Gladiator resulting in him bouncing off of Glads chest like he was a piece of paper.Gladiator stood over Nova that was stunned TWICE in that fight only to mock him.
By the way, it didn't end in a double tko, Nova was knocked the hell out.
Gladiator stomps but Nova does good. Gladiator ran through a crew of Nova members without breaking a sweat...hell, he split one in half. Nova had trouble with Gladiator cousin and had to resort to dampening her powers because she was too strong.
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are u referencing a non nova prime Nova on that fighting gladiator bit?
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Gladiator did state that he was only testing Nova, that being said....Where do you get the "hundred folds" part from, I don't recall that being stated in the book.
Also Rich might have started the fight believing Glads was out of his league, but IIRC at the end they had Rich state that he could handle operating at that level, he then punched Glads, which I believe knocked him down.
All that being said, Glads would have still won the vast majority of fights against that version of Nova.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
and yet you reference an owning of Nova *recruits* by Gladz...
some evidence you have there.😉
My bad. I can do better. Gladiator cousin was ripping through Nova and tanking his attacks as well. Nova was hinting around her being stronger and possibly more durable. He then pulls out a trick that immobilize her powers. This trick will not work on Gladiator, wo how will Nova beat him?
Originally posted by carver9
My bad. I can do better. Gladiator cousin was ripping through Nova and tanking his attacks as well. Nova was hinting around her being stronger and possibly more durable. He then pulls out a trick that immobilize her powers. This trick will not work on Gladiator, wo how will Nova beat him?
u sure u wanna be saying that? cause i can tell all the wrong in ure post... first, one of the Nova recruits said that he was afraid Richie would kill her from the way he was bashing her head in at the start of the fight. then another recruit remarked that it would be tough to kill her since she's a Srontian. he continues pumelling her until he is distracted from the fact that his brother is still alive and not dead as he first thought when he entered the building. she gets the upperhand on a couple of panels because of that. then we find out why Richie did not make a quick retaliation. it's because he explains to her that he was giving himself some quick info through his suit's "Novapedia Index". he then gives her a head butt that disrupts her psionically fueled powers and disrupts it somewhat. then KO's her the fuk out. he did what any true hero would do, put down the criminal without killing if he could. she got pwned!
Originally posted by dmillsIt didn't seem like a double k.o. to me. More like Gladiator was knocked for a loop but was still conscious. And I have doubts that Nova Prime could so easily use Gladiator's powers against him again, which is how classic Nova did it. Particularly when Gladiator has respect for him and his capabilities now.
This is prolly going to be the last time I respond to yet another Glads/Nova thread. On second thought I'll just bookmark this so that I can cut and paste this response when this inevitably comes up again.A significantly less powerful Nova fought Glads to a double tko before. And it was only a double KO then because Nova was drained from the discharge for plot reasons.
Currently Rider is significantly more powerful and more skilled with his power set as well. Glads is the same guy that he was when they fought 18 years ago. He punches things really hard and/or blasts things with heat vision, neither of which present a significant obstacle for Nova currently. So unless Glads has some new abilities that I don't know about I see no logical reason why the outcome of a fight between the two currently would result in anything other then a win for Nova.
As carver9 is suggesting, if Nova's first performance against Gladiator should be considered the end-all-be-all, than those Nova Corps members shouldn't have gotten so handily stomped by Gladiator (one of whom was the replacement Nova Prime, mind you) and Strontian wouldn't have appeared to be such a physical menace to Ryder Nova Prime.
However, I agree Nova Prime gets little credit, and I can settle for 5/10 split considering we've seen Ryder's willing to commit the full Nova force several times already.
Originally posted by carver9You're quite confident it wouldn't work on Gladiator.
My bad. I can do better. Gladiator cousin was ripping through Nova and tanking his attacks as well. Nova was hinting around her being stronger and possibly more durable. He then pulls out a trick that immobilize her powers. This trick will not work on Gladiator, wo how will Nova beat him?
Originally posted by carver9
Anybody that seen that fight can tell that Glads was holding back. Nova even admitted that Glads was out of his league. Nova couldnt even damage him until he absorbed his powers and sent it back to him a hundred folds. Hell, the difference in power was so significant that Nova did a full charge/blitz at Gladiator resulting in him bouncing off of Glads chest like he was a piece of paper.Gladiator stood over Nova that was stunned TWICE in that fight only to mock him.
By the way, it didn't end in a double tko, Nova was knocked the hell outGladiator stomps but Nova does good. Gladiator ran through a crew of Nova members without breaking a sweat...hell, he split one in half. Nova had trouble with Gladiator cousin and had to resort to dampening her powers because she was too strong.
Lmao. Glads clearly was portrayed as more powerful in that fight at that time.
At any rate he was drained from the blast because it was only the second time he had ever used his absorption powers. By the time his series progressed he was capable of absorbing planet busting energy without being drained upon release.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It didn't seem like a double k.o. to me. More like Gladiator was knocked for a loop but was still conscious. And I have doubts that Nova Prime could so easily use Gladiator's powers against him again, which is how classic Nova did it. Particularly when Gladiator has respect for him and his capabilities now.As carver9 is suggesting, if Nova's first performance against Gladiator should be considered the end-all-be-all, than those Nova Corps members shouldn't have gotten so handily stomped by Gladiator (one of whom was the replacement Nova Prime, mind you) and Strontian wouldn't have appeared to be such a physical menace to Ryder Nova Prime.
However, I agree Nova Prime gets little credit, and I can settle for 5/10 split considering we've seen Ryder's willing to commit the full Nova force several times already. You're quite confident it wouldn't work on Gladiator.
I don't think that Glads was straight up ko'd. I specified a double tko with both combatants temporarily out of commission. They're both just floating there in the first panel.
As for those Centurions, they were green and scared out of their minds. Rider was an experienced centurion that had fought in wars prior to his battle with Glads in addition to his time with the New Warriors. Not to mentioned prior fights with powerhouses like the Sphinx and Thor.
Strontian was a menace to lots of people during the War of Kings, Glads included. But point taken nonetheless 🙂
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I am seeing a lot of faulty logic at play here; the previous nova fight has little or no bearing on what would happen in a forum-fight. What is relevant is that Gladiator still has a sizeable edge over Nova in both damage output and durability (I would argue that Nova can blitz as well as Gladiator, but because both of these guys are blitzers, it seems more likely that this will come down to who can take getting punched by the other one the longest, and that favors Gladiator). Nova's energy manipulation is not going to be a big deal here, except to protect him from Gladiator's HV. This leaves the helmet trick, which can pull him a few wins. Otherwise, Gladiator still has much better high-end strength and durability feats, despite whatever potential Nova may have.
Originally posted by Bentley
You're underrating Ryder's fire power imo. He can certainly take down Gladiator if he can attack him without giving a rest.
How so? I'm not as familiar with Nova as Dmills is, but I've read a pretty good number of his comics, and I would imagine that the best stuff that I'd missed would at least make it into the respect thread.
Nova's best offensive feats are still < Gladiator's best offensive feats
Nova's best durability feats are still < Gladiator's best durability feats
I have no doubt that Nova could defeat Gladiator under certain conditions, but until he gets more high end feats I see it happening the other way around more often than not.
