Originally posted by SimbonColossus-level is a poor estimation. Colossus has trouble with Venom. Nova Prime completely shrugged Venom off when he had enough. And Colossus isn't standing toe-to-toe with Gladiator, Strontian, Lord Mar-Vell or outright gutting Annihilus.
throwing Colossus-level punches is not the same as smashing planets.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Colossus-level is a poor estimation. Colossus has trouble with Venom. Nova Prime completely shrugged Venom off when he had enough. And Colossus isn't standing toe-to-toe with Gladiator, Strontian, Lord Mar-Vell or outright gutting Annihilus.
In a crossover superman had problems with venom.... ;-P
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Colossus-level is a poor estimation. Colossus has trouble with Venom. Nova Prime completely shrugged Venom off when he had enough. And Colossus isn't standing toe-to-toe with Gladiator, Strontian, Lord Mar-Vell or outright gutting Annihilus.
The venom example is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned Colossus; given that he's knocked King Hyperion on his ass, and traded blows with Hulk, Vision, etc, knocking Venom aside is absolutely within Colossus' abilities.
Originally posted by Simbon
You have hit the nail on the hit with the Mike Tyson comparison, and I think this gets to the heart of where we differ on Nova -- to push the boxing metaphor, what we have seen of him thus far in terms of trading punches (not bullrushing, resisting energy attacks, etc.) has not been enough to convince me that he has what to takes to last the six rounds that makes Tyson's defeat inevitable. Part of this has to do with the fact that Nova is almost never put up against a high-end brick that can match his speed, but it also has to do with the fact that, when it comes to punching, he has never delivered a blow (mind you, this is without bullrush, etc) that seemed like it wasn't something Colossus could replicate. By contrast, Gladiator is not portrayed as evenly as Nova is, but his top strength feats are vastly superior: smashing a planet, breaking hyperion's spine, etc. Likewise, Nova's best durability feats are almost all against energy/gravity forces, which he can manipulate; I need to see more before I am convinced that he can last long enough to win out against the Majestor.
Fair points. Probably my fault for not putting a lot of this stuff in his respect thread. I'll be revamping it soon to correct some oversights.
At any rate, here are some things that might shed some light on Nova's toughness, innate durability, and quick healing factor. I'll stay away from shielded feats for now and just focus on his own durability without shields. I only want to convey here that he's durable enough and tough enough to last past these metaphorical 6 rounds with Glads. I'll set out to prove that he can serve Glads up with his attacks (punches, energy blasts) later. For now I'll show some classic Nova. The weakest incarnation of the character.
Here, Rider takes an absolute beating from the Sphinx (someone far more powerful then Glads). Keep in mind that this is classic Nova and that he's far outclassed in power here, but takes it and keeps on coming and after all of it he smiles. It also demonstrates his quick healing/recovery factor.
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Here we see classic Nova taking blows from arguably the most powerful of all high heralds, classic Thor. Again, shows just how durable and tough he is. Also important to note, he's been a centurion for all of 3 days here.
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Next up is Zorr. Not a well known character, but nonetheless a confirmed planetary level badass. Basically he solo'd Xandar (yeah I know). Note how easily he tears buildings out of the ground. He is also so durable that it took all of the power of the Nova Prime starship in a concentrated blast to put him down. These ships are miles in diameter/length with cannons powerful enough to give Ego pause. If you need supplemental info on Zorr or any other claims I've made about him I'll be happy to provide it.
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