Ryder has enough physical status to hang with Gladiator, coupled with his energy abilities to boost his status and shield himself, I think he's got him matched. Nova is also more versatile and a decent enough strategist to put Glads into problems.
This is in no way a walk in the park, but I think Nova's energy abilities + physical power makes him a serious competition for Glads in any conception of the fight.
Originally posted by Simbon
I am seeing a lot of faulty logic at play here; the previous nova fight has little or no bearing on what would happen in a forum-fight. What is relevant is that Gladiator still has a sizeable edge over Nova in both damage output and durability (I would argue that Nova can blitz as well as Gladiator, but because both of these guys are blitzers, it seems more likely that this will come down to who can take getting punched by the other one the longest, and that favors Gladiator). Nova's energy manipulation is not going to be a big deal here, except to protect him from Gladiator's HV. This leaves the helmet trick, which can pull him a few wins. Otherwise, Gladiator still has much better high-end strength and durability feats, despite whatever potential Nova may have.
Why wouldn't a previous encounter play a role in determining who would win? Glads is unchanged since they're last encounter. His attack methodology and power set is exactly the same. Rider is significantly more powerful, more skilled and experienced. Very often these things are purely speculative, but in this case we actually have a fight between both combatants that we can at the very least use as a barometer to gauge what a confrontation might look like today. We know how Glads is portrayed to fight. We know how Rider is portrayed to fight.
Granted its not engraved in stone that they HAVE to fight this way, but even diverging from their typical portrayals, Rider still has a deeper bag o tricks to go to then does Glads.
I don't think this is a wash in the park either. Nova is by far one of the most powerful/versatile Heralds out there but he hasn't shown me that he is capable of taking Glads out in a fight. Gladiator is stronger, faster, and more durable. I would give Rich the edge versatility wise but its not enough.
I know that Rich is a high class 100 but what is his best strength feat? Gladiator was tanking attacks from a Nova Prime replacement and basically one shotted him. I know Nova is better but how much better is he than his replacement that has pretty decent fts?
I can also see Gladiator performing much better against Surfer than Nova did.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't think this is a wash in the park either. Nova is by far one of the most powerful/versatile Heralds out there but he hasn't shown me that he is capable of taking Glads out in a fight. Gladiator is stronger, faster, and more durable. I would give Rich the edge versatility wise but its not enough.I know that Rich is a high class 100 but what is his best strength feat? Gladiator was tanking attacks from a Nova Prime replacement and basically one shotted him. I know Nova is better but how much better is he than his replacement that has pretty decent fts?
I can also see Gladiator performing much better against Surfer than Nova did.
Surfer has been stated to know about Glad's weakness to a certain type of radiation.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't think this is a wash in the park either. Nova is by far one of the most powerful/versatile Heralds out there but he hasn't shown me that he is capable of taking Glads out in a fight. Gladiator is stronger, faster, and more durable. I would give Rich the edge versatility wise but its not enough.I know that Rich is a high class 100 but what is his best strength feat? Gladiator was tanking attacks from a Nova Prime replacement and basically one shotted him. I know Nova is better but how much better is he than his replacement that has pretty decent fts?
I can also see Gladiator performing much better against Surfer than Nova did.
u talkin about the Nova Prime replacement? that dude was a nova for like 3 issues before they even bumped him up to NP. Richie has had a wealth of experience, plus he's been recognized by Queen Adora and the Worldmind as one of the best users of the nova force before he even became Nova Prime. do you even know the replacements name? he's a fodder standby that's why... sigh...
Originally posted by dmills
Why wouldn't a previous encounter play a role in determining who would win? Glads is unchanged since they're last encounter. His attack methodology and power set is exactly the same. Rider is significantly more powerful, more skilled and experienced. Very often these things are purely speculative, but in this case we actually have a fight between both combatants that we can at the very least use as a barometer to gauge what a confrontation might look like today. We know how Glads is portrayed to fight. We know how Rider is portrayed to fight.Granted its not engraved in stone that they HAVE to fight this way, but even diverging from their typical portrayals, Rider still has a deeper bag o tricks to go to then does Glads.
There are often forum matches between characters who have clashed on panel; the on-panel fight is significant for demonstrating strategies, but depending on whether it was a high or low showing for each character, may not have all that much bearing on the forum match, where both characters are considered to be fighting at their best. In this case, the fact that Nova has grown so much in power and experience is undeniable; but it is also undeniable that his best feats are still inferior to Gladiator's. I agree that Nova's bag of tricks is superior, and I give him a few wins for this, but the real killer here is that Gladiator is one of the few Marvel characters who can match Nova's speed, effectively negating the bullrush strategy, and making it so that most of the time the fight will come down to who can dish out and take the most damage, and Gladiator has Nova beat on both counts.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
u talkin about the Nova Prime replacement? that dude was a nova for like 3 issues before they even bumped him up to NP. Richie has had a wealth of experience, plus he's been recognized by Queen Adora and the Worldmind as one of the best users of the nova force before he even became Nova Prime. do you even know the replacements name? he's a fodder standby that's why... sigh...
What's the difference between his durability vs Nova durability? When you answer this, please explain why because he was a Nova Prime when he face Glads and he got one shotted.
Originally posted by Simbon
There are often forum matches between characters who have clashed on panel; the on-panel fight is significant for demonstrating strategies, but depending on whether it was a high or low showing for each character, may not have all that much bearing on the forum match, where both characters are considered to be fighting at their best. In this case, the fact that Nova has grown so much in power and experience is undeniable; but it is also undeniable that his best feats are still inferior to Gladiator's. I agree that Nova's bag of tricks is superior, and I give him a few wins for this, but the real killer here is that Gladiator is one of the few Marvel characters who can match Nova's speed, effectively negating the bullrush strategy, and making it so that most of the time the fight will come down to who can dish out and take the most damage, and Gladiator has Nova beat on both counts.
In terms of durability, Rider has pretty much run the gauntlet. Surviving planet busting power, solar system destroying power (yes Nihilist 😛) Black holes, neutron stars, suns, class 100+ punches, psionic attacks, techno organic viruses. I don't know what else you could possibly be looking for there. And that's not even going into the on the fly healing and energy recouping abilities. Rich can take whatever Glads can dish out, heal or even get more powerful as the fight goes on. I have the scans to support my position.
As far as damage output is concerned, we're talking about a guy that rips holes in space/time with gravimetric energy. More to the point though, he's blasted Diamondhead's hand clean off effortlessly, blasted a hole clean through a Technarch, blew its hand off, casually KO'd Drax with a pinkie blast, obliterated the Psionic essence of Ego etc. Not to mention that he's already busted up Glads with an energy pulse before. Suffice it to say I think he can make Glads feel it. A lot.
From what I've seen of Glads he makes a big entrance, looks amazing and unstoppable, pushes his weight around like a bully, but then wilts under the pressure when his opponent starts to push back. He's the Mike Tyson of the middle-high herald tier.
Originally posted by carver9
What's the difference between his durability vs Nova durability? When you answer this, please explain why because he was a Nova Prime when he face Glads and he got one shotted.
Since you asked so nicely I'll give you an analogy that you can appreciate. You know how Glads is so powerful because of the gladiator conditioning thingy that no one else completed but him? Think of it in that light. No other Nova can be as powerful as Rider because Rider's body has been altered at the molecular level to house the entire nova force. Tarcel was just a centurion with the "rank" of Nova Prime.