Originally posted by TacDavey
You obviously have a very negative outlook on Christianity and Christians. What would happen if your children DID grow up to be Christians and thought things like homosexuality was wrong? Can you honestly say that wouldn't hurt your relationship with them at all?
I don't even have to answer this. They already did for me.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If your children grew up the gay atheists can you honestly say that wouldn't hurt your relationship with them at all?
No, but I don't have as negative an outlook on atheism as he seems to have towards Christianity.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you saying he's unable to hate the sin (being a Christian), but love the sinner?
No, I was asking a question. He can dislike the choice but love the person, but even so, especially with his negativity towards that particular aspect of Christianity, I would think there would likely be at least a little strain there.
Originally posted by Varunga
He already accepts his girlfriend as a Christian and loves her. Why would he act differently towards his children for choosing the other option?
Because, according to him, his girlfriend isn't "that type of Christian". The kind he was worried about his kids becoming if they went to church.
Originally posted by TacDavey
No, but I don't have as negative an outlook on atheism as he seems to have towards Christianity.
No, I was asking a question. He can dislike the choice but love the person, but even so, especially with his negativity towards that particular aspect of Christianity, I would think there would likely be at least a little strain there.
Because, according to him, his girlfriend isn't "that type of Christian". The kind he was worried about his kids becoming if they went to church.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I argee and to say that God is hateful and sexist is a bunch of crap it is not true. How you got those ideas is beyond me. (I am talking about another post btw not to you Tacdave
Errrr...God did punish Eve with extremely painful childbirth for eating a fruit, what happened to Adam? Honestly how many positive females were there in the Bible. Mary Magdeline was a prostitute. Several women were portrayed as nothing but manipulative seducers. Sounds pretty sexist to me.
Re: ++Religion/kids/atheism.... problem??
Originally posted by cool_ghost
okay i have a girlfriend that i love, a lot. we get along, are nice, a great couple. shes a christian and im an atheist. religion has been brought up before, and even though i took it as lightly as i can, she was still getting uncomfortable with the topic.the other day, we were talking about our future and having kids, and even though thats a while away, there is no harm and getting your opinion about this now. how would you raise your kids if you were in my situation? I strongly dislike the idea of my kids going to church.... at all. any religion that preaches against gay people, has a malevolent, selfish god, and practically says that every human emotion is a sin, is something i would not want my kids going to. I dont even like the idea of my kids assuming there is heaven and a god and not taking the time to consider if any of that were true or not.
And she isnt hardcore christian, but she claims herself as one, and definitely does believe in god.
I have a feeling she will say something like "it will teach them good morals" or something like that, but i could easily teach them good morals... i dont need church, or any religion to teach them good morals for that matter.
should i back up my ideals and not have them go to church? am i being selfish? words on this matter? lol
I have children, and my personal opinion is to let them figure it out on their own. I am not going to force them either way. When they are old enough, they will choose the answers that work for them. I honestly don't bring up religion with my children unless they ask.
I would try and explain this to your wife as well. You two could very easily teach your children good moral values without resorting to a book until the child/children are old enough to decide for themselves as you have stated. Good luck by the way.
Originally posted by socool8520
Errrr...God did punish Eve with extremely painful childbirth for eating a fruit, what happened to Adam? Honestly how many positive females were there in the Bible. Mary Magdeline was a prostitute. Several women were portrayed as nothing but manipulative seducers. Sounds pretty sexist to me.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Mary Magdeline was not a prostitute (try and find where it says that in the bible; it doesn't!)
She was a woman who was said to be exhumed of all seven vices, and it has been interpreted as her being a prostitute and was accepted by quite a few people. I will confer that it is debated however, but what part of Christianity isn't. No it doesn't specifically say this, but like I said, the Bible doesn't specifically say alot of things yet they are inferred or interpreted as such.
Originally posted by socool8520
She was a woman who was said to be exhumed of all seven vices, and it has been interpreted as her being a prostitute and was accepted by quite a few people. I will confer that it is debated however, but what part of Christianity isn't. No it doesn't specifically say this, but like I said, the Bible doesn't specifically say alot of things yet they are inferred or interpreted as such.
a. not found in the bible
b. not recognized by catholics
c. not recognized by protestants
Originally posted by socool8520
How long later though, and without even considering or refuting the original Pope's reasoning behind. This also adds to the point of how sexist a tme it was during the biblical period which was my original point to begin with.
You're saying the bible had her as a prostitute. Wrong, it never said anything of the sort. So what does the fact that a LATER pope said she was, have to do with the original point?
Do you know when the church first proclaimed she was a prostitute? 591. So if you want to talk about changing the original meaning, i'd be going after that pope, not the current church.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Actually, it subtracts from the point.You're saying the bible had her as a prostitute. Wrong, it never said anything of the sort. So what does the fact that a LATER pope said she was, have to do with the original point?
Do you know when the church first proclaimed she was a prostitute? 591. So if you want to talk about changing the original meaning, i'd be going after that pope, not the current church.
No I conceded that it was not in the Bible but inferred by a Pope and others at that time. It wasn't until what, like the 60's until the Catholic church officially rejected it right? And like I said, that is how it was interpreted from the text itself. The writer may have actually meant that but it can be interpreted either way. Either she was just a regular old sinner like the rest of the world or she was a prostitute.
As for the protestants, alot of those sects don't believe that she could have been an apostle because she was a women. Even more sexist
Originally posted by Varunga
The negativity comes from the hypocrisy and immorality that comes from Christianity. I would prefer my kids to be kept away from such a religion as well. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't accept his children if they did turn to the Christianity, nor did he ever imply such a thing.
You are still attempting to label Christianity as "evil". As I have said before, and you even agreed, this is a debate for another time. If you want to make such a claim feel free to start your own thread. That's not the question we are discussing in this one.
Originally posted by Varunga
Rubbish. There are children who go against what their parents desired for them everyday, and the parents continue to love them and carry on a normal relationship with them. I'm sure that he realizes that he would be no better than a homophobic parent who didn't accept his or her child for being gay if he allowed that to happen.
As I said, I fully accept that it is possible to have a healthy relationship under such circumstances. However, the threat of an unhealthy relationship is very real, and as such some attention should be drawn to this possibility so as to make perfectly sure that it does not happen, and thus cause suffering for the child.
Originally posted by Varunga
And if they did become those kinds of Christians, I think he could cope, no matter how strongly he disagrees with their views.
That's what I was asking. He should make perfectly sure that he is prepared for the possibility, and make sure that his relationship with the child will not be damaged or strained should this outcome take place.
Originally posted by socool8520
No I conceded that it was not in the Bible but inferred by a Pope and others at that time. It wasn't until what, like the 60's until the Catholic church officially rejected it right? And like I said, that is how it was interpreted from the text itself. The writer may have actually meant that but it can be interpreted either way. Either she was just a regular old sinner like the rest of the world or she was a prostitute.As for the protestants, alot of those sects don't believe that she could have been an apostle because she was a women. Even more sexist
Up until almost SIX HUNDRED years later, nobody had a hint of her being a prostitute. This isn't "at the time", this is WAY AFTER the time, and in the 60s, all they did was restore it to what it used to be; you know, before the pope foisted that interpretation on everyone.
Originally posted by TacDavey
No, but I don't have as negative an outlook on atheism as he seems to have towards Christianity.
I feel that way towards Christianity because I have legitimate reasons why. I'm not being biased, I was raised and baptised christian, and a lot of there teachings and beliefs are contradictory, not so "good" as they claim to be, and the teachings and beliefs are very judgemental and close minded. You have no reasons to look at atheism that way because you haven't found any, obviously. Or atleast you have not found any that are legit and focus on Atheism, not the person.
Originally posted by TacDavey
No, I was asking a question. He can dislike the choice but love the person, but even so, especially with his negativity towards that particular aspect of Christianity, I would think there would likely be at least a little strain there.
I highly, highly doubt that. There is a possibility this could happen, of course, just like there is a possibility for many things, but I won't let that happen. Having petty emotions mess up a relationship with my child is pointless, as they are going to do what they want when they are older anyways. I will not agree with them if they become Christians, but it can easily be overlooked.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Because, according to him, his girlfriend isn't "that type of Christian". The kind he was worried about his kids becoming if they went to church.
Your right, she isn't. And I would dislike it if my children became full on christian. But easily put, Its just religion and they will always be my kids. So I would make the best of it and not let it strain our relationship.
edit: you have to remember most of my friends believe in god and/or are very religious, my parents believe in god and are christians, and as you already know the girlfriend I love believes in god, albeit she is not so much christian. So its absurd to think the relationship with my kids would be affected in barely any way, really.
Originally posted by cool_ghost
I feel that way towards Christianity because I have legitimate reasons why. I'm not being biased, I was raised and baptised christian, and a lot of there teachings and beliefs are contradictory, not so "good" as they claim to be, and the teachings and beliefs are very judgemental and close minded. You have no reasons to look at atheism that way because you haven't found any, obviously. Or atleast you have not found any that are legit and focus on Atheism, not the person.
That's not the point. The debate about the "morality of Christianity" is one for another time. The point is, for whatever reason, you have a very negative outlook on Christianity. So there is a higher probability that your relationship with a Christian will be more strained than your relationship with a non-christian.
I'm not saying this is going to necessarily be the case. I'm simply saying it's a higher probability.
Originally posted by cool_ghost
I highly, highly doubt that. There is a possibility this could happen, of course, just like there is a possibility for many things, but I won't let that happen. Having petty emotions mess up a relationship with my child is pointless, as they are going to do what they want when they are older anyways. I will not agree with them if they become Christians, but it can easily be overlooked.Your right, she isn't. And I would dislike it if my children became full on christian. But easily put, Its just religion and they will always be my kids. So I would make the best of it and not let it strain our relationship.
edit: you have to remember most of my friends believe in god and/or are very religious, my parents believe in god and are christians, and as you already know the girlfriend I love believes in god, albeit she is not so much christian. So its absurd to think the relationship with my kids would be affected in barely any way, really.
Good. If you think the possibility will have no effect on your relationship, then that's fine. I just wanted to make sure, because not everyone would be able to honestly say the same. At the very least, it should be something considered before attempting to raise a family.