Originally posted by MF DELPH
Not one of the options I posted involves transmuting Hulk's mass, and also, rendering Hulk intangible and shrinking him both have on panel precedent to establish that they are possible.
His healing factor will override the Mass transmutation, intangibility and shrinkage.
Originally posted by MF DELPHodds of any of that crossing surfer's mind are infinitesimal
Here's a few options:Entrapment:
1. Removing gravity from Hulk, letting him harmlessly float in the air pissed off but unable to really do anything.
2. Transmute the air around Hulk into a giant ball of a rubber cement like substance.
3. Put Hulk in an unbreakable cage.
4. Trap Hulk in a forcefield that gets stronger by absorbing the kinetic energy he exerts while hitting it.
5. Trap Hulk in a giant ball of liquid (water, tar, etc).Exotic:
1. Shrink Hulk to a size so small he wouldn't be able to effect anything on a macro level.
2. Make Hulk intangible so he can't effect anything.
3. Change the frequency of Hulk's brain patterns to radiowaves and make him brain dead.
4. Change the frequency of Hulk's gamma rays to ultraviolet rays, or another harmless frequency of the EM spectrum.Killing Hulk isn't the only option, and given the fact Surfer has the speed, flight, and other tactical advantages to dictate all the terms of engagement, it will always be Surfer's fight to lose against someone like Hulk.
I realize these scenarios aren't as sexy as a brutal slugfest to the death, but like Herm Edwards said, "You play to win the game".
Originally posted by dmills
What does a healing factor have to do with being shrunken?
Originally posted by SimbonHigh Evolutionary's armor failed to do that. Assuming attempts to devolve >/= rewriting DNA.
I like how all the Hulk people are just flatly ignoring the precedents of Lunatik, Goom, etc.Also, if Hulk's healing factor is DNA-driven, it can simply be rewritten.
Hulk has other outright feats of transmutation resistance than the ones already mentioned.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
His healing factor fights off his body from being messed with, he also has an adaptive mutation. The angrier he is the greater his healing factor is also, add to this his determination/will not to be altered in anyway and that's a LOT to overcome. To my knowledge of him, Surfer has never shown able to manipulate someone considered his peer and above let alone one with a unique physiology such as Hulks.
He did it to Lunatik, who has a mad healing factor and who evolves, and apparently affected him for some time. Likewise, he affected Genis, who at the time wasn't very skilled, but who many rate in raw power above Surfer. He has also used it against the Obliterator, who he even acknowledged was more powerful than he was. Most of the time Surfer doesn't use matter manipulation offensively because it is against his ethics. In this case, I wouldn't argue anything ridiculous like turning Hulk into a tortoise; but it would not be out of character for him, in a situation like this, to affect Hulk with matter manipulation simply to weaken him. Likewise, people keep acting as if Hulk's gamma energy can't be manipulated, when we have already seen Armageddon doing precisely that. As for the healing factor affecting being shrunk -- being shrunk is not damage, there is nothing to heal from.