Hulk 634 Vs Surfer & Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by leonidas
it was a pretty cool feat. he couldn't really beat lunatic in any other way--or at least that was how it came across--so he basically bound him genetically to the planet's ecosystem. thing is, it didn't last and he was able to escape and it was never really explained how. lunatik was a funny character. he was constantly mutating. so maybe he evolved beyond ss's powers? or maybe ss just didn't have the power to keep him there? key thing is, it didn't work like ss thought it would. lunatik was an absolute beast while he was alive.....

True, but it's not like Surfer would need to affect Hulk for months here -- he just needs to affect him momentarily, which this scan indicates he can do.

Originally posted by leonidas
it was a pretty cool feat. he couldn't really beat lunatic in any other way--or at least that was how it came across--so he basically bound him genetically to the planet's ecosystem. thing is, it didn't last and he was able to escape and it was never really explained how. lunatik was a funny character. he was constantly mutating. so maybe he evolved beyond ss's powers? or maybe ss just didn't have the power to keep him there? key thing is, it didn't work like ss thought it would. lunatik was an absolute beast while he was alive.....

Great battle though

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Surfer apparently erases all traces of a person's madness from the 'bosom of this paradise'.
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Judging by Lunatik's words, it seems Surfer won this short (but sweet) showdown. Pretty good showing for Surfer here. He knocks him away a couple a of miles through the forest with this attack.
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Surfer shows some great moves against Lunatik (he also takes out Skreet)... including punching him all the way to the polar cap of the planet.
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The next comic (I post this because some of Darth's links aren't working for the fight).
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Originally posted by Simbon
True, but it's not like Surfer would need to affect Hulk for months here -- he just needs to affect him momentarily, which this scan indicates he can do.

i agree it wouldn't have to be for long. i do have my doubts regarding his ability to transmute hulk though. not saying he couldn't for sure, but i'm not sure it's in character for him to do so (like he might be able to open black holes in hulk's head but he wouldn't) nor am i 100% sure it would work if he tried. it's just not an ability he has used often enough (against anyone of substance) for me to feel comfortable assuming it would work. would you say he could simply transmute thor? superman? gladiator? cap marvel? just opens a lot of speculation with not much evidence imo, though i concede that logically it probably should work.

so, yeah. 😐

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Judging from the battle, Surfer looked a good deal above him, and hurt him many times and even looked like he took him out at first
Although he did say they were too evenly matched...

Great battle though

you mean from that opening scan? we know that didn't stop lunatik though. i read the fight a little differently--he said 'owww' a few times, made a few comments, but i never read it as he was ever in any danger from what ss's attacks did. he didn't seem very close to putting ss out either though, so, meh. funny how ss says he was never hit so hard before though.....

too bad they killed off lunatik. for a blatant knock-off, he was sorta cool.

Unlike Sentry.

indeed....

Originally posted by carver9
Can't believe this is said...I'm done...I'm gone for a month possibly 2. Hulk is back at mid meta. Holla.

Hulk from 635 is wayyyyyyy more powerful than 634 but yea hulk 634 will own both first he thunderclaps surfer from his board,punches beta to his face than quickly get to surfer rip him apart,than throw surfer board at beta while beta moves the board out of his way Hulk goes runs to beta and start whacking him like in planet hulk well that's how i imagine it...by the way for Hulk635 hulk only needs grab them but opps he accidently squashed them both...

Originally posted by dmills
Surfer > any Hulk > Thor > Surfer... Canon

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) T'was an asteroid.
b.) Only someone as delusional as yourself would try to use that ridiculous instance as admissible 'Hulk-proof'. Christ, if Joe Fixit is a planet-buster+, then Thing must be a planet-buster[b]++ (he beat the bejesus out of Joe, after all.)

Idiocy like that makes me laugh, most enthusiastically. ermmnone [/B]

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He was affected, not sure why that's hard to admit.

his admitting it his just saying it was quite a cheapshot

I just don't see it happening. Hulk has grown in status is all. Whatever, it's your opinion. lol that's VERY true(yea i know i sound like a fanboy)

Okay?

I don't understand how you can think Surfer could take down Green Scar with any resembling casual force. He'd have to go all out and even then I'm not sure he'd be able to win. I highly doubt that when Pak wrote Sentry going all out, he was intended to possess any less raw power than the Elite big boys.

I think Thor's the main problem, mostly because he's defined by his opponents. Holding back and all that jazz. (Hulk actually held back When WWH began even when he fought sentry he said it himself..

We can all agree that Thor > Surfer or Hulk.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, and those many abilities and advantages they have over Hulk trump Hulk just being really really strong.

Again, Surfer and Bill would have to let Hulk get the opportunity to punch them. And why would they do that when they can just play keep away and spam the hell out of him with their vastly powerful attacks?

Conversely, what can WBH do to them if they don't want to engage him directly up close and personal?

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, he got koed by a weakened Hulk who also got weakened by the Worm Hole and the disk and also have been fighting continuously relying on his weakened healing factor to aid him before facing Surfer.

Yeah, that Hulk koed him. Let's not forget that Hulk was trying to reason with Surfer in the beginning as well and Surfer hit him with his weapon AND his board.

Originally posted by TheHulk
He actually generated gamma outta his body and used it as a giant blast...

I am aware of this, but between both Surfer and Bill, you can better damn well believe that that kind of energy output is being blocked or absorbed.

Pretty much.

Surfer should still own this new amped Hulk outside of a plot driven scenario.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Pretty much.

Surfer should still own this new amped Hulk outside of a plot driven scenario.

Here's a few options:

Entrapment:
1. Removing gravity from Hulk, letting him harmlessly float in the air pissed off but unable to really do anything.
2. Transmute the air around Hulk into a giant ball of a rubber cement like substance.
3. Put Hulk in an unbreakable cage.
4. Trap Hulk in a forcefield that gets stronger by absorbing the kinetic energy he exerts while hitting it.
5. Trap Hulk in a giant ball of liquid (water, tar, etc).

Exotic:
1. Shrink Hulk to a size so small he wouldn't be able to effect anything on a macro level.
2. Make Hulk intangible so he can't effect anything.
3. Change the frequency of Hulk's brain patterns to radiowaves and make him brain dead.
4. Change the frequency of Hulk's gamma rays to ultraviolet rays, or another harmless frequency of the EM spectrum.

Killing Hulk isn't the only option, and given the fact Surfer has the speed, flight, and other tactical advantages to dictate all the terms of engagement, it will always be Surfer's fight to lose against someone like Hulk.

I realize these scenarios aren't as sexy as a brutal slugfest to the death, but like Herm Edwards said, "You play to win the game".

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Here's a few options:

Entrapment:
1. Removing gravity from Hulk, letting him harmlessly float in the air pissed off but unable to really do anything.
2. Transmute the air around Hulk into a giant ball of a rubber cement like substance.
3. Put Hulk in an unbreakable cage.
4. Trap Hulk in a forcefield that gets stronger by absorbing the kinetic energy he exerts while hitting it.
5. Trap Hulk in a giant ball of liquid (water, tar, etc).

Exotic:
1. Shrink Hulk to a size so small he wouldn't be able to effect anything on a macro level.
2. Make Hulk intangible so he can't effect anything.
3. Change the frequency of Hulk's brain patterns to radiowaves and make him brain dead.
4. Change the frequency of Hulk's gamma rays to ultraviolet rays, or another harmless frequency of the EM spectrum.

Killing Hulk isn't the only option, and given the fact Surfer has the speed, flight, and other tactical advantages to dictate all the terms of engagement, it will always be Surfer's fight to lose against someone like Hulk.

I realize these scenarios aren't as sexy as a brutal slugfest to the death, but like Herm Edwards said, "You play to win the game".

Hulk smash puny options! Potentially unlimited strength solves everything! Rage >>>> logic

I'm glad Surfer used all of those abilities while fighting Thor and Thanos. Ooops, he didn't. Let's just take away CIS and make up how a character fights or use their abilities.

As for how the fight would REALLY go. Hulk would be emitting energy from his body JUST LIKE HE DID RECENTLY IN 634. Surfer and Bill would have to absorb this energy because as we saw in the comic, its powerful enough to melt heralds. While focusing their attention on the energy output of Hulk...trying to prevent themselves from being turned to dust...Bill absorb the energy with his hammer and Surfer focus his power cosmic on the energy as well.

Hulk speed jumps the two focused beings injuring both with a well placed punch. With their guard down...Hulk energy output starts to hit them but he adds on to it with crushing strength. Game over.

Now unless someone can show me Surfer and Bill absorbing WHILE FIGHTING AT THE SAME TIME, I would see a possibility of them pulling some wins.

Using Delph style of debating, no Herald would stand a chance against Surfer.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Here's a few options:

Entrapment:
1. Removing gravity from Hulk, letting him harmlessly float in the air pissed off but unable to really do anything.
2. Transmute the air around Hulk into a giant ball of a rubber cement like substance.
3. Put Hulk in an unbreakable cage.
4. Trap Hulk in a forcefield that gets stronger by absorbing the kinetic energy he exerts while hitting it.
5. Trap Hulk in a giant ball of liquid (water, tar, etc).

Exotic:
1. Shrink Hulk to a size so small he wouldn't be able to effect anything on a macro level.
2. Make Hulk intangible so he can't effect anything.
3. Change the frequency of Hulk's brain patterns to radiowaves and make him brain dead.
4. Change the frequency of Hulk's gamma rays to ultraviolet rays, or another harmless frequency of the EM spectrum.

Killing Hulk isn't the only option, and given the fact Surfer has the speed, flight, and other tactical advantages to dictate all the terms of engagement, it will always be Surfer's fight to lose against someone like Hulk.

I realize these scenarios aren't as sexy as a brutal slugfest to the death, but like Herm Edwards said, "You play to win the game".

Removing Hulk is a possibility but anything else leads to their defeat imo. Draining was also a possibility but it was removed by the thread starter.