Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor just went up against new attitude Surfer and hasn't done a thing to him to beat him so I just proved you wrong that easily. Thor also didn't oneshot Magus to death by mistake. Thor also went down to far less by way of worthy Hulk and in siege just naming a few showings.
Lets rewind, and go back to Mar-Vell defeating the Surfer and Nova, and how poorly they were written. They fly in half-cocked like newbies and get handled. My first thought of that scene was a mixture of poor plot and character building. Mar-Vell has too much to prove, and a one time feat just isn't enough to give this guy all of these props. Take Titanus for example... Hello! If thats not enough we can draw out the multitudes of characters whose second or third appearances fell flat compared to their first amazing entrance. What do you call characters like that? One Hit Wonders?
Arguing that Magus was easily incinerated is just poor logic when you factor in two things.
1. He wasn't prepared for the cheap shot.
2. Magus has always operated on different power levels, depending on his followers prayers. As far as any one can tell, Magus at the time of his death, could have been operating at power levels near the Vision or worse.
I realize that Mar-Vell is the cornerstone of TI Thanos' power scale, but there simply isn't enough in terms of appearances, to place Mar-Vell so high up on the totem pole.
Hulk of IH's 634 wins the battle against Thanos for a majority.
Originally posted by StoicSaying it's poorly written implies bias because you weren't happy with the end result. What was written we accept no matter how much we disagree with it.
Lets rewind, and go back to Mar-Vell defeating the Surfer and Nova, and how poorly they were written. They fly in half-cocked like newbies and get handled. My first thought of that scene was a mixture of poor plot and character building. Mar-Vell has too much to prove, and a one time feat just isn't enough to give this guy all of these props. Take Titanus for example... Hello! If thats not enough we can draw out the multitudes of characters whose second or third appearances fell flat compared to their first amazing entrance. What do you call characters like that? One Hit Wonders?Arguing that Magus was easily incinerated is just poor logic when you factor in two things.
1. He wasn't prepared for the cheap shot.
2. Magus has always operated on different power levels, depending on his followers prayers. As far as any one can tell, Magus at the time of his death, could have been operating at power levels near the Vision or worse.
I realize that Mar-Vell is the cornerstone of TI Thanos' power scale, but there simply isn't enough in terms of appearances, to place Mar-Vell so high up on the totem pole.
Hulk of IH's 634 wins the battle against Thanos for a majority.
1.So what ? We've seen other characters get cheapshotted but not completely destroyed so it's very impressive.
2.You have nothing and want to give me a set of possibilities you can't prove which sums up most of your theories. Magus was weakened and yet still after just saving all of reality was handing the gotg their asses and managed to trick a cc user in this weakened condition with minimal time.
Hulk's never beaten an or dominated an above elite top tier character like Thanos does. I know you like the Hulk but Thanos simply operates on a higher scale. Looks at Thanos' battle with Odin, Galactus, and Tyrant while I look at Zeus' hand to hand owning of the Hulk.
Thanos gives him the voorhees choke.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying it's poorly written implies bias because you weren't happy with the end result. What was written we accept no matter how much we disagree with it.1.So what ? We've seen other characters get cheapshotted but not completely destroyed so it's very impressive.
2.You have nothing and want to give me a set of possibilities you can't prove which sums up most of your theories. Magus was weakened and yet still after just saving all of reality was handing the gotg their asses and managed to trick a cc user in this weakened condition with minimal time.
Hulk's never beaten an or dominated an above elite top tier character like Thanos does. I know you like the Hulk but Thanos simply operates on a higher scale. Looks at Thanos' battle with Odin, Galactus, and Tyrant while I look at Zeus' hand to hand owning of the Hulk.
Thanos gives him the voorhees choke.
The Hulk has never operated on levels that he did during IH's 634, his battle with Zeus was poorly portrayed, and not worth the paper that it was printed on, as we saw later how he held his own against a simulacrum of Zeus (Giant psionic Eagle).
The Hulk simply exceeded anything that Thanos has ever brought to the table barring external devices (gems, chalice, or cosmic cube). Thanos' battle with Odin was one sided, and everyone knows it.
The Hulk wouldn't have even needed to choke Thanos, the energy leaking off of him alone would have drove him to his kness or worse.
Let's take a similar time that Thanos was outgunned in terms of power. In Thanos Quest when he fought the Champion, he resorted to his shields, which were eventually buckled by the might of the Champions blows. Now if Thanos could have taken even one of those hits, why in the world didn't he? Why did he rely on his shields to cushion the blows? These are questions that make me believe that Thanos was simply out of his power league. The Hulk was hittng with more force than the Champion was, he could have literally popped the planet with one footfall, and he was holding back.
Ok,Thanos survived a gas giant exploding in his face... but wait didn't Skreet survive that very same explosion? Should we automatically believe that she could beat the Hulk as well?
Originally posted by StoicHere you go again with the bias. Zeus owned him. Deal with it. Thanos has taken blasts from odin without being on his knees and survived attacks from the Maker, power gem Thor, Galactus, and Tyrant so don't act like Hulk is anywhere near to the level of foes Thanos has always faced up against. No above top tier character was defeated by his energy so like carver this exists only in your mind and isn't supportable.
The Hulk has never operated on levels that he did during IH's 634, his battle with Zeus was poorly portrayed, and not worth the paper that it was printed on, as we saw later how he held his own against a simulacrum of Zeus (Giant psionic Eagle).The Hulk simply exceeded anything that Thanos has ever brought to the table barring external devices (gems, chalice, or cosmic cube). Thanos' battle with Odin was one sided, and everyone knows it.
The Hulk wouldn't have even needed to choke Thanos, the energy leaking off of him alone would have drove him to his kness or worse.
Let's take a similar time that Thanos was outgunned in terms of power. In Thanos Quest when he fought the Champion, he resorted to his shields, which were eventually buckled by the might of the Champions blows. Now if Thanos could have taken even one of those hits, why in the world didn't he? Why did he rely on his shields to cushion the blows? These are questions that make me believe that Thanos was simply out of his power league. The Hulk was hittng with more force than the Champion was, he could have literally popped the planet with one footfall, and he was holding back.
Ok,Thanos survived a gas giant exploding in his face... but wait didn't Skreet survive that very same explosion? Should we automatically believe that she could beat the Hulk as well?
Thanos is more powerful than when he fought Champion and he tricked the Champion. Thanos also physically dominated the Champion and then put up the shields to trick the fool into amping himself to the point of shattering the planet only to later hand over the gem to Thanos. If you don't know why Thanos did what he did why bring it up ?
Skreet hasn't beaten down the Surfer, Mar-vell, or Thor and the Thing so why make a claim based off of one feat while we have many more appearances of Thanos. I never suggested anything to do with my case being built around surviving some gas explosion. You did and tried to draw some sort of terrible parallel.
Hulk gets embarrassed. Call me when he finally beats up on someone above top tier.
Originally posted by StoicfacepalmIs this all youve got is bias and the same old argument thats been shot down time and time again(which you keep using hoping know one notices)
The Hulk has never operated on levels that he did during IH's 634, his battle with Zeus was poorly portrayed, and not worth the paper that it was printed on, as we saw later how he held his own against a simulacrum of Zeus (Giant psionic Eagle).The Hulk simply exceeded anything that Thanos has ever brought to the table barring external devices (gems, chalice, or cosmic cube). Thanos' battle with Odin was one sided, and everyone knows it.
The Hulk wouldn't have even needed to choke Thanos, the energy leaking off of him alone would have drove him to his kness or worse.
Let's take a similar time that Thanos was outgunned in terms of power. In Thanos Quest when he fought the Champion, he resorted to his shields, which were eventually buckled by the might of the Champions blows. Now if Thanos could have taken even one of those hits, why in the world didn't he? Why did he rely on his shields to cushion the blows? These are questions that make me believe that Thanos was simply out of his power league. The Hulk was hittng with more force than the Champion was, he could have literally popped the planet with one footfall, and he was holding back.
Ok,Thanos survived a gas giant exploding in his face... but wait didn't Skreet survive that very same explosion? Should we automatically believe that she could beat the Hulk as well?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Here you go again with the bias. Zeus owned him. Deal with it. Thanos has taken blasts from odin without being on his knees and survived attacks from the Maker, power gem Thor, Galactus, and Tyrant so don't act like Hulk is anywhere near to the level of foes Thanos has always faced up against. No above top tier character was defeated by his energy so like carver this exists only in your mind and isn't supportable.Thanos is more powerful than when he fought Champion and he tricked the Champion. Thanos also physically dominated the Champion and then put up the shields to trick the fool into amping himself to the point of shattering the planet only to later hand over the gem to Thanos. If you don't know why Thanos did what he did why bring it up ?
Skreet hasn't beaten down the Surfer, Mar-vell, or Thor and the Thing so why make a claim based off of one feat while we have many more appearances of Thanos. I never suggested anything to do with my case being built around surviving some gas explosion. You did and tried to draw some sort of terrible parallel.
Hulk gets embarrassed. Call me when he finally beats up on someone above top tier.
Well if you knew anything about the Hulk you would know that he simply doesn't have a fixed level, and the level that he was operating on during 634 was above anything that Thanos has shown on panel unassisted.
Originally posted by Nihilist
facepalmIs this all youve got is bias and the same old argument thats been shot down time and time again(which you keep using hoping know one notices)
You prove time and time again how ignorant you are. Deal with my post or remain silent.
Originally posted by StoicBlowing up a planet is something Thanos and Drax did in his first arc. You have to prove it going by how Hulk has matched up against foes who aren't in Thanos' league you have a lot to prove.
Well if you knew anything about the Hulk you would know that he simply doesn't have a fixed level, and the level that he was operating on during 634 was above anything that Thanos has shown on panel unassisted.You prove time and time again how ignorant you are. Deal with my post or remain silent.
Originally posted by StoicI dealt with your post before, which you had no answer to at all except saying "its all lies". Your entire argument is weak sauce, for instance the usual Thanos unassisted crap..you know nothing son.
Well if you knew anything about the Hulk you would know that he simply doesn't have a fixed level, and the level that he was operating on during 634 was above anything that Thanos has shown on panel unassisted.You prove time and time again how ignorant you are. Deal with my post or remain silent.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Blowing up a planet is something Thanos and Drax did in his first arc. You have to prove it going by how Hulk has matched up against foes who aren't in Thanos' league you have a lot to prove.
Context Quanchi, you know the term. it was the ease at which the Hulk could have destroyed a planet the size of Earth that is the question, and yet you still have no answer to why Thanos was unable to battle toe to toe with the Champion without the use of his shields, and I know that you get that the Hulk was hitting at levels above the Champion, and that you will not admit it so as to not make your entire argument go up in smoke, but he was, and you need to deal with that.
Originally posted by Nihilist
I dealt with your post before, which you had no answer to at all except saying "its all lies". Your entire argument is weak sauce, for instance the usual Thanos unassisted crap..you know nothing son.
You I just have nothing to say to, because all you do is accuse people of things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand... I have an idea, perhaps you might try Xanex, Ritalin or one of those other miracle drugs out there to help you with your problem.
Originally posted by Stoic😂 another bullshit answer.
Context Quanchi, you know the term. it was the ease at which the Hulk could have destroyed a planet the size of Earth that is the question, and yet you still have no answer to why Thanos was unable to battle toe to toe with the Champion without the use of his shields, and I know that you get that the Hulk was hitting at levels above the Champion, and that you will not admit it so as to not make your entire argument go up in smoke, but he was, and you need to deal with that.You I just have nothing to say to, because all you do is accuse people of things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand... I have an idea, perhaps you might try Xanex, Ritalin or one of those other miracle drugs out there to help you with your problem.
You asked me to name unaided Thanos durability feats earlier in the thread, which i did and you had no comeback expect "lies". Dont blame me for you being a coward.
Originally posted by Nihilist
😂 another bullshit answer.You asked me to name unaided Thanos durability feats earlier in the thread, which i did and you had no comeback expect "lies". Dont blame me for you being a coward.
You mean the gas giant explosion right? Didn't Skreet also survive that explosion? Makes me wonder how big a feat it truly was. If you continue to debate as opposed to accusations, insults, and at times downright threats, I have no problem debating with you, but as we both know you may be incapable of controlling all of the raw emotions that come up with you when debating fictional characters, and you truly may need help.
Originally posted by StoicThanos battled toe to toe with Champion before he wanted to irritate him. The reason Champion was so formidable was due to the power gem. That's the context of it all and in the end thanos humiliated him in combat then outsmarted him into handing over the gem. Your points actually strengthen my case.
Context Quanchi, you know the term. it was the ease at which the Hulk could have destroyed a planet the size of Earth that is the question, and yet you still have no answer to why Thanos was unable to battle toe to toe with the Champion without the use of his shields, and I know that you get that the Hulk was hitting at levels above the Champion, and that you will not admit it so as to not make your entire argument go up in smoke, but he was, and you need to deal with that.You I just have nothing to say to, because all you do is accuse people of things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand... I have an idea, perhaps you might try Xanex, Ritalin or one of those other miracle drugs out there to help you with your problem.
Thanos has taken blasts from odin which are far more powerful than Hulk's best punches.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos battled toe to toe with Champion before he wanted to irritate him. The reason Champion was so formidable was due to the power gem. That's the context of it all and in the end thanos humiliated him in combat then outsmarted him into handing over the gem. Your points actually strengthen my case.Thanos has taken blasts from odin which are far more powerful than Hulk's best punches.
And yet he had his shields up during his little toe to toe with the Champion, which showed me that he could not take on world destroying punches. I realize that Thanos was holding out to trick the Champion but that has nothing to do with him being able to take that kind of abuse without shields being up. Like the Infinity Gem of Power, the Hulk has infinite strength potential, and he was operating at or above the Champions power level during his stint in Thanos Quest.
Odin was in no danger at all in his fight with Thanos, nor was there any signs of him being any worse for wear. Bringing up the Hulk being mugged and raped by Zeus is funny, The Hulk wasn't even trying in that battle, he was just taking it up the @ss. He would have given Zeus a far better battle than he if they fought in 634.
The Hulk didn't just bust several Herald level beings, he turned them into dust.
How do you know how powerful the Hulks punches were?