How about, when Windu blocks lightning with lightsaber and narration, also, says that he took power into himself and redirected it back to its source? This example shows that this power acceptance happens only in Windu's head, when in reality he deflected lightning with lightsaber and its power didn't even touch him.
"And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back
to its source."
No matter how you choose to look at it Arheal, the book CLEARLY states that Vaapad resulted in Sidious' lethal intent (in this specific case - Force Lightning, and earlier, his speed and rage) being reflected back and used against him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Listened to another Interview with Dave Filoni and Sam Witwer. I can post them all if you like. Anyway Sam says Maul still isn't quite back to his PM level yet in this episode, but he's getting there slowly.Dave says in the episode where Savage quickly beat Obi-Wan he wasn't as prepared and focused as he should have been.
But I think it's at least clear that Obi-Wan's Jar Kai skills play a big part of his "exceptional sword skills" that are mentioned and displayed in this new episode, considering he's never done too well against Savage in the past with his single sword.
I think it's pretty clear that Obi Wan was just that much more skilled than Savage, and was finally able to take advantage of that, with Savage not being as prepared and focused and all. Obi Wan has a hard time against Savage's physical advantages as it is one on one, and now that he suddenly gets an extra saber, he's miraculously fighting off both Savage and his brother Maul, who himself is superior to Obi Wan, at the same time? Sorry, that just wouldn't make any sense regardless of what Dave says. Not only would Obi Wan's attention be divided, but so would his strength. The only advantage Obi Wan would recieve from using two sabers would be being able to block multiple blows. But what good is that when Savage can clearly disarm Obi Wan when Obi Wan is using two hands?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well stalemating the fight is different to stalemating "speed" specifically. I mean surely Vapaad must give Mace greater skill in combat which could offset any difference potential difference in speed. Mace may also be stronger due to his great physical strength aiding his force enhanced strength.
Mace still would have to at least approach Sidious in speed in order to fight a prolonged duel with him. The fact that niether of them could gain any advantage over the other would indicate that their speed and skill would pretty much be on par with eachothers in that fight. And the fact that Mace has never shown that type of speed elsewhere, also pretty much indicates that Mace does not have the power or command of the force to approach Sidious speed on his own. If he did, how was General Grievous able to fight a prolonged saber duel with him? The same General Grievous who was outdueled by Kit Fisto - the same Kit Fisto who, along with two other saber masters, was blitzed by Sidious.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
"And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back
to its source."
Yeah I read this part of the novel during the discussion, and that's when I went quiet!
The Lightning's reflected back and used against Sidious's so therefore that's what must have happened during the Saber battle as well with regards to Sidious's rage & power being reflected i.e shot back at him.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I think it's pretty clear that Obi Wan was just that much more skilled than Savage, and was finally able to take advantage of that, with Savage not being as prepared and focused and all. Obi Wan has a hard time against Savage's physical advantages as it is one on one, and now that he suddenly gets an extra saber, he's miraculously fighting off both Savage and his brother Maul, who himself is superior to Obi Wan, at the same time? Sorry, that just wouldn't make any sense regardless of what Dave says. Not only would Obi Wan's attention be divided, but so would his strength. The only advantage Obi Wan would recieve from using two sabers would be being able to block multiple blows. But what good is that when Savage can clearly disarm Obi Wan when Obi Wan is using two hands?
Yeah I agree with you actually. Saying Obi-Wan wasn't as focused last time sounds like a Big Excuse for Obi-Wan losing so badly.
That's like me saying Savage only loses now because he wasn't at his Optimum Rage level.
But at the same time, let's not take Obi-Wan's feat away from him. And let's not ignore he's done it using some obviously excellent Jar Kai skills.
As for Maul he won't be at his best yet in this episode as he's still got those clunky legs.
Spoiler:
but they are getting damaged and replaced with more normal legs for the rest of the season
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
The same General Grievous who was outdueled by Kit Fisto - the same Kit Fisto who, along with two other saber masters, was blitzed by Sidious.
Actually I re-watched Lair of Greivous and it wasn't really how I remembered. Fisto never fought of all 4 of GG's swords. And he managed to cut off that one (GG just took a strike at him with one arm when he did that).
But then Fisto went Jar Kai and still the best he could do was stalemate Grievous's 3 Swords.
So there's obviously a big difference between Fisto level and say Ventress/Kenobi level in Sword Prowess. (I actually put Kenobi above Ventress now).
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
That's all good and all, but the comment was directed at Arheal.
Was just a FYI since you were talking about the same line which made up my mind on the issue.
Besides I can still talk to you can't I JT?? Can't I???
Originally posted by DARTH POWERActually I re-watched Lair of Greivous and it wasn't really how I remembered. Fisto never fought of all 4 of GG's swords. And he managed to cut off that one (GG just took a strike at him with one arm when he did that).
But then Fisto went Jar Kai and still the best he could do was stalemate Grievous's 3 Swords.
So there's obviously a big difference between Fisto level and say Ventress/Kenobi level in Sword Prowess. (I actually put Kenobi above Ventress now).
Correction. Even though this says it was in response to JT, it was actually in response to S66.
"And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back
to its source."No matter how you choose to look at it Arheal, the book CLEARLY states that Vaapad resulted in Sidious' lethal intent (in this specific case - Force Lightning, and earlier, his speed and rage) being reflected back and used against him.
Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him.
And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source.
Indeed it says that that power passed into him and out, however, it, also, says that he catched lightning with lightsaber and we see in film Windu deflecting lightning with lightsaber, which means that it did not pass into him.
Again it says that it is state of mind, which is emotional thing. And Force is driven by emotions. Some Jedi draw on Force by achieving perfect calm or using love and other positive emotions. But Windu was drawing on the Force by relishing fight.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Arheal, your explanation simply cannot account for Windu fighting on auto-pilot with absolutely no possibility of fatigue. It just can't. Quit trying to fight what has already been clearly spelled out for you.