Ironfist vs Midnighter

Blood lusted going for the kill, no weapons who wins?

MN.

Iron Fist, imo.

IF,too versatile in fighting styles plus IF has his amp, yeah MN is in trouble.

I don't know that much about Midnighter, but from what I do know..

He wins

Originally posted by Cogito
I don't know that much about Midnighter, but from what I do know..

He wins

MN hurt Apollo, and held his own with Zealot.

But Danny has similar, and better, feats, like holding his own with, and even wrecking, the Wrecking Crew, or staggering Iron Man (Eventually losing, but looking good in the process.)

MN's calculations are going to be fundamental to beat Danny.

Midnighter. Especially after we saw him out react MM.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Midnighter. Especially after we saw him out react MM.

One high end speed feat won't put him beyond Danny though, considering he's dodged Iron Mans charge when he tried flying at him, and has plenty of examples of being faster than a speeding bullet..

Originally posted by cdtm
What was the context of reacting to Mr. Majestic?

One high end speed feat won't put him beyond Danny though, considering he's dodged Iron Mans charge when he tried flying at him, and has plenty of examples of being faster than a speeding bullet..

Not Majestic...Martian Manhungter. In the Stormwatch #1

Originally posted by cdtm
What was the context of reacting to Mr. Majestic?

One high end speed feat won't put him beyond Danny though, considering he's dodged Iron Mans charge when he tried flying at him, and has plenty of examples of being faster than a speeding bullet..

He didn't out react anyone. He stealth ambushed koed reboot Martian Manhunter with a pressure point attack. Prep-Man is insane and for some reason believes this is a speed feat.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He didn't out react anyone. He stealth ambushed koed reboot Martian Manhunter with a pressure point attack. Prep-Man is insane and for some reason believes this is a speed feat.

It it something of a speed feat. It's also a stealth feat. It can be both 😉

MM sensed something wrong. MM got put down before he could react. MM has super-speed reactions (unless that was retconned, or that was a feint).

Thus, speed and stealth feat. They're not mutually exclusive.

Like I said before, MM has senses that allow him to identify such attacks and get out of the way. I don't know, maybe MM is weaker in the new dcu. But MM was able to work around that and take him out.

BTW: Assuming MM didn't get downgraded in the reboot

Context: JLA was trapped by telepaths. WW was Hippolyta at the time. Flash lent her speed to increase the speed of her thoughts so the four of them would be able to think faster than the telepaths guards. Superman, Flash, and MM already thought faster than the speed of thought, whatever that means.

It's nothing of a speed feat, MM stated he sensed something with a causal nonchalance and then he was stealth ambushed. One-shotting Jack before he could react, after witnessing Midnighter take out MM is a speed feat. If he had tried to react and the got taken down in spite of it you what have a point, but he didn't. He was just standing there, he sensed something, and was taken down. Did he sense a threat? Did he know where it was coming from? Did he know someone was about to attack him. It's like the classic movie / tv trope of hearing a creak behind you and turning just time to see someone attack. Nothing to do with speed whatsoever.

He wasn't supposed to be ambushed by a street. That's the point

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He wasn't supposed to be ambushed by a street. That's the point

He was ambushed by a street. That's the point.

Of course it's a speed feat.

MM has tons of ways to avoid that attack, from going intangible to moving to mind raping. He didn't have time to do any of them, even though he moves, and thinks, faster than thought.

Originally posted by Cogito
Of course it's a speed feat.

MM has tons of ways to avoid that attack, from going intangible to moving to mind raping. He didn't have time to do any of them, even though he moves, and thinks, faster than thought.

That's making the assumption that he new an attack was imminent. He didn't. He sensed something and then he was taken out. If what he had sensed was definitive enough to register as a threat, he would have gone intelligible instead talking about it...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He wasn't supposed to be ambushed by a street. That's the point