Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm Manny Pacquiao is walking down the street and I yell "Hey Manny!" and then while he is saying "Did someone call my name?" I punch him from behind as hard as I can in back of the neck, did I "out react" Pacquiao?
WTF is with these bullshit analogies?
Does Manny Pacquiao have MM speed feats? Is this a real comparison?
Originally posted by Digi
Nah, that was PIS because Flash was aware of the situation. This would be like if Slade tagged Flash while Flash was asleep. I only think it's a low durability showing for J'onn (or a high striking feat for MNer)...I don't think it says anything about either's speed.
The analogy is between MN's stealth and MM's detection. In that respect it just sounds like PIS unless these incarnations are very different from the previous one, or if MM actually played possum.
Originally posted by Cogito
WTF is with these bullshit analogies?Does Manny Pacquiao have MM speed feats? Is this a real comparison?
*groan*
Do you not understand how Manny's crazy speed is completely and utterly irrelevant in that scenario, just like it was for MM? It doesn't matter how fast he is, and it doesn't matter how fast MM was. It's an ambush. Do you SERIOUSLY not understand the concept of an ambush? He blinded sided him.
American public school system?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
*groan*Do you not understand how Manny's crazy speed is completely and utterly irrelevant in that scenario? I doesn't matter how fast he is, it doesn't matter how fast MM is. It's an ambush. Do you SERIOUSLY not understand the concept of an ambush? He blinded sided him.
American public school system?
Do you not understand that the reaction time between Manny and MM is like the difference between a candle and a star?
Do you not understand that an ambush relies on stealth and speed?
I agree on one thing, we shouldn't compare old MM feats, because this is a whole new ball game.
One thing is for sure, pre DCnU MM would not have gone out like that. Or be blindsided by stealth, seeing as Bruce (Who has better stealth feats) was unable at times.
Or Flash trying to blind side MM (who is a LOT faster than Midnighter) failed to take down MM.
Originally posted by Cogito
Do you not understand that the reaction time between Manny and MM is like the difference between a candle and a star?Do you not understand that an ambush relies on stealth and speed?
Flash is standing still. Invisible Woman walks up and touches him. Speed feat?
MM reaction time is completely irreverent to the equation because he was caught of guard and blind sided.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think it's pretty obvious that Midnighter used speed. I mean, if he just casually walked up on MM, he would have seen it. Even if he were to walk up BEHIND MM, he would STILL be able to sense him through scent or pheremones or by hearing him.
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Nobody's claiming Midnighter has Flash speed, but he's fast for a human.
1. This is first appearance of MM and Midnigher
2. All feats prior to the reboot are irrelevant.
3. We don't know how fast MM is
4. We don't know how powerful his tp is
5. If we are pretending that previously existing feats are valid MIDNIGHTER HAS TP BLOCKS IN PLACE
Martian Manhunter sensed something and then he was ambushed before he recognized what it was or that it was a threat. It's not a speed feat, if you think it is then I would advise you to go immediately to your doctor and schedule an MRI.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
1. This is first appearance of MM and Midnigher
2. All feats prior to the reboot are irrelevant.
3. We don't know how fast MM is
4. We don't know how powerful his tp is
5. If we are pretending that previously existing feats are valid MIDNIGHTER HAS TP BLOCKS IN PLACEMartian Manhunter sensed something and then he was ambushed before he recognized what it was or that it was a threat. It's not a speed feat, if you think it is then I would advise you to go immediately to your doctor and schedule an MRI.
You go first.
Originally posted by Cogito
Horrible analogy. The tiger doesn't have lightspeed feats.
facepalm
Am I being trolled? Do I really need to explain that an analogy isn't a 1:1 comparison but analogous comparisons. No, a tiger doesn't have super speed, neither does Manny Pacquiao. But I also don't have MN'ers reflexes. It's the relationship between the two that's important, not the speeds.
Analogy. Not substitution. 2:4 as 100:200
Even if you disagree with my analogy, your rebuttal here is displaying a gross misunderstanding of how it is actually being used.
Originally posted by leonidas
(a) where is the proof that mm felt threatened?(b) if he didn't feel threatened, why would he have felt any need to use his speed?
(c) if he did not feel threatened, and felt no need to use his speed, he may as well NOT have any superspeed at all so how is this a speed feat for MN?
I think it's the fact that he should have felt it/not be blind sided. But like I said and many here, this is a new MM. Old feats shouldn't be counted. And it's not like Midnighter doesn't have enhanced speed.