Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader, & Yoda Vs. Saruman, Sauron, & Witch King

Originally posted by Nephthys
No he didn't. He used his magic, and by the looks of it Gladring, as Impediment said. Watch the scene again and you can clearly see that Gandalf is holding up his [b]right hand to block the attack, which is his swordhand. The Balrog never attacked or did anything to his staff. Acting like his staff is uber because the Balrog didn't break it is insane because it never tried to. Stop being insane Quan.

The Balrog never uses magic. The comparison fails. End of.

How is that reaching? Star Wars materials are hundreds of thousands of times harder than steel. You think the Witch King can shatter the lightsabers? Fvcking prove it. But of course you won't. I look forward to you dodging the issue in your reply. It should be fun reading. [/B]

Balrog uses power which fails against the staff. Boom.

Do you think the star wars handles can resist an attack from the Balrog while not breaking ?

Can't wait to hear you sidestep this question.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, due to the magic being used by the staff the staff didn't break. If Balrog could break his staff while magic is being used he would have done so. Breaking the staff while using magic is quite a feat and this is proof of it. The Balrog is far me powerful than any jedi with a lightsaber. Far more powerful because it's a more powerful universe due to magic.

Balrog uses power which fails against the staff. Boom.

Do you think the star wars handles can resist an attack from the Balrog while not breaking ?

Can't wait to hear you sidestep this question.

Why would the staff break? Nothing is being done to it you dolt! The attack only hits the shield. The staff doesn't even come into play.

No he doesn't. No it doesn't. Un-Boom.

Yes. Easily.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would the staff break? Nothing is being done to it you dolt! The attack only hits the shield. The staff doesn't even come into play.

No he doesn't. No it doesn't. Un-Boom.

Yes. Easily.

The staff's magic is superior to balrog's power in that it resists. I'm right as rain.

So the handle can resist the power of the Balrog based on it surviving what ?

Those sabre handles are durable, in EP3 Obi Wan's did survive a long fall.

Not saying they'd survive a Balrog's fire sword should it come to a direct hit(it wouldn't), but they're definitely more durable than Sauron's gauntlet/fingers.

Originally posted by Robtard
Those sabre handles are durable, in EP3 Obi Wan's did survive a long fall.

Not saying they'd survive a Balrog's fire sword should it come to a direct hit(it wouldn't), but they're definitely more durable than Sauron's gauntlet/fingers.

That sword would slice off Yoda's fingers or Palpatine's as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The staff is causng the magic the resistance so while using magic isn't very durable but not when the Witch King wants to you know break it. Point proven and victory.

The staff's magic is superior to balrog's power in that it resists. I'm right as rain.

So the handle can resist the power of the Balrog based on it surviving what ?

No, Gandalf is causing the magic obviously. Just because the staff starts to glow doesn't means its doing anything. Also lol, learn 2 spell noob. I can't even understand the rest of this sentence. Magic isn't very durable? But not when the Witch King wants to break it? Wtf?

Gandalfs magic stops the attack. But as I said its completely irrelevent. The Balrog attacked him with his sword. The Witch King attacked him with magic. The two attacks are completely different.

It can emit enough heat to melt foot-thick blast doors without damage and its made from materials hundreds of thousands of times harder than steel. I call this a no-brainer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So did Yoda but he isn't durable enough to resist a balrog's attacks.

That sword would slice off Yoda's fingers or Palpatine's as well.

A Balrog would never hit someone as small, fast and agile as Yoda, so it's an irrelevant statement.

Place Yoda or Palpatine in the Balrog scene; either of them force-push the Balrog off the bridge or outright destroy the bridge by using some ruble from the wall/ceiling. No need for fancy theatrics.

Plus how much cutting force or impact does the Balrog's sword really have? The Balrog isn't even that strong. It smacks Gandalf multiple times while they're falling and the frail old man just shrugs it off. Color me unimpressed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Since when was it proven the Witch King can only do so to magical materials.

Read this thread for why that line of reasoning is lame.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=13209976

But, for an even better reason why the Witch King can't explode stuff beyond the magical staff's of other wizards:

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, Gandalf's Magical Staff seemed to "magically" reform itself for his Mithlond appearance, which occured many minutes later. Now, this is mostly baseless, but we can be more correct in assuming that the Witch King can only explode the magical staff of weaker wizards, but not anything else. That's about as far of a conclusion that we can make. Anything beyond that will net you contradictions such as: why didn't he "explode" other things...especially in the battle that he DIED.

And this:

Originally posted by dadudemon
The only thing, ever, that he explodes is Gandalf's staff: a magical artifact directly tied to the Wizard. We could say "movie feats" only and say he can only explode Gandalf's staff. However, I don't like that. I would rather say that it's "magic vs. magic" and conclude that it shows that the Witch King had greater magical ability and their clash of wills showed the destruction of the symbol of Gandalf's magic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Star Wars materials are hundreds of thousands of times harder than steel.

Prove that using only the movies or movie commentary. 🙂

Well, I never thought I would see another LOTR fanboy here. To bad your on the wrong side man. It jsut isnt feasible for any of them to beat one of the Sith or Yoda.

Learn a bit about Star Wars please. The Yoda thing with lightning, it was the greatest jedi of the time against the greatest sith ever. They both screw with each others precog. And the Obi-Wan part? Not related, but it was a padawan vs a sith lord.

As it is, team SW wins, LOTR loses badly. Oh, and the prophecy on the WK? Yeah, debated to hell.

Originally posted by Pwned
As it is, team SW wins, LOTR loses badly. Oh, and the prophecy on the WK? Yeah, debated to hell.

😄

Good times..and one of the reasons I started liking you as a poster. 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove that using only the movies or movie commentary. 🙂

Various sourcebooks on the movies have entries on the materials used in SW.

The Witch King and all his boys get their shit rocked and scared off by an unshaven man with a torch (Who also jams said torch into Witch King's face, leaving the WK an arm-flailing pussy), and he gets killed by a midget and a woman, who while admittedly is a good fighter, is no Sith or Jedi.

Saruman gets punked by Gandalf, and gets stabbed in the back by Grima Wormtongue. Oh, and he got his shit wrecked by walking trees.

Sauron gets laid low by a broken sword wielded by an injured man.

Lol.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, Gandalf is causing the magic obviously. Just because the staff starts to glow doesn't means its doing anything. Also lol, learn 2 spell noob. I can't even understand the rest of this sentence. Magic isn't very durable? But not when the Witch King wants to break it? Wtf?

Gandalfs magic stops the attack. But as I said its completely irrelevent. The Balrog attacked him with his sword. The Witch King attacked him with magic. The two attacks are completely different.

It can emit enough heat to melt foot-thick blast doors without damage and its made from materials hundreds of thousands of times harder than steel. I call this a no-brainer.

So you feel that a light saber can't even break the handle since the energy is coming through it ? This is just getting plain sad. I guess a torch can't burn another torch as it's already burning and thus immune to fire. 😂

Originally posted by Robtard
A Balrog would never hit someone as small, fast and agile as Yoda, so it's an irrelevant statement.

Place Yoda or Palpatine in the Balrog scene; either of them force-push the Balrog off the bridge or outright destroy the bridge by using some ruble from the wall/ceiling. No need for fancy theatrics.

Yoda can't easily force push the Balrog and he'd still catch Yoda on the way down with his fire whip. Yoda stood there like a jackass just resisting the material Dooku tossed at Obi and Anakin. Balrog unlike inanimate objects is going to resist.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Read this thread for why that line of reasoning is lame.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=13209976

But, for an even better reason why the Witch King can't explode stuff beyond the magical staff's of other wizards:

And this:

Prove that using only the movies or movie commentary. 🙂

Originally posted by Pwned
Well, I never thought I would see another LOTR fanboy here. To bad your on the wrong side man. It jsut isnt feasible for any of them to beat one of the Sith or Yoda.

Learn a bit about Star Wars please. The Yoda thing with lightning, it was the greatest jedi of the time against the greatest sith ever. They both screw with each others precog. And the Obi-Wan part? Not related, but it was a padawan vs a sith lord.

As it is, team SW wins, LOTR loses badly. Oh, and the prophecy on the WK? Yeah, debated to hell.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Witch King and all his boys get their shit rocked and scared off by an unshaven man with a torch (Who also jams said torch into Witch King's face, leaving the WK an arm-flailing pussy), and he gets killed by a midget and a woman, who while admittedly is a good fighter, is no Sith or Jedi.

Saruman gets punked by Gandalf, and gets stabbed in the back by Grima Wormtongue. Oh, and he got his shit wrecked by walking trees.

Sauron gets laid low by a broken sword wielded by an injured man.

Lol.

Cutting off a finger is how he was defeated which was a lucky strike he wasn't beaten in combat like Palpatine was by Windu nor did he even die. The ring would corrupt Palpatine and Vader to the tune of them becoming Gollums themselves in time. Palpatine nor Vader's will approaches Sauron's.

Sauron only has to swing his mace in their general direction while no one can kill or defeat the Witch King here.

Since my post was ignored:

Originally posted by Impediment
Gandalf blocked the Balrog's attack with the power of Glamdring, his sword, and his magic.

The Sith win this.

Force grab weapons, Force lightning, Force choke, and then light saber hack & slash. Precog is the winning factor here.

Also, the Sith would be anything but intimidated by Sauron's presence. The Isildur used the sword Narsil to cut off Sauron's fingers, while wearing battle "Sauron" body armor, so the light sabers would do more damage by far.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, due to the magic being used by the staff the staff didn't break. If Balrog could break his staff while magic is being used he would have done so. Breaking the staff while using magic is quite a feat and this is proof of it. The Balrog is far me powerful than any jedi with a lightsaber. Far more powerful because it's a more powerful universe due to magic.

Balrog uses power which fails against the staff. Boom.

Do you think the star wars handles can resist an attack from the Balrog while not breaking ?

Can't wait to hear you sidestep this question.

The fact that the LOTR universe utilizes magic proves nothing as to who is stronger.

Gandalf's source of magic is not, nor has it ever been, his staff. His staff is merely a conduit for his magic. The fact that Gandalf survived the fall from the Bridge of Khazad-dum, chased the Balrog from the depths of Moria to the highest heights of the mountain, fought the Balrog for two days, and then summoned lightning to power Glamdring to make the kill, without his staff, proves that he, not a stick, is magic. Gandalf is a mystical being, almost like an angel.

If anything, the handles to a light saber would not break due to a blow from the Balrog's fire sword, rather the grip of the Jedi/Sith holding it would.

However, since the Balrog is not even in this fight, let's stick with the fighters at hand, shall we?

Originally posted by Impediment
Since my post was ignored:

The fact that the LOTR universe utilizes magic proves nothing as to who is stronger.

Gandalf's source of magic is not, nor has it ever been, his staff. His staff is merely a conduit for his magic. The fact that Gandalf survived the fall from the Bridge of Khazad-dum, chased the Balrog from the depths of Moria to the highest heights of the mountain, fought the Balrog for two days, and then summoned lightning to power Glamdring to make the kill, without his staff, proves that he, not a stick, is magic. Gandalf is a mystical being, almost like an angel.

If anything, the handles to a light saber would not break due to a blow from the Balrog's fire sword, rather the grip of the Jedi/Sith holding it would.

However, since the Balrog is not even in this fight, let's stick with the fighters at hand, shall we?

I disagree about a handle surviving from the power of the Balrog. Look at the size and what he was capable of. Collateral damage alone just look at his sheer weight and imagine the amount of force he brings to bear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Getting stabbed in the back while dominating your opponent means you were caught off guard. None of the sith or jedi here are females so looks like they can't kill the Witch King. Whoops.

Cutting off a finger is how he was defeated which was a lucky strike he wasn't beaten in combat like Palpatine was by Windu nor did he even die. The ring would corrupt Palpatine and Vader to the tune of them becoming Gollums themselves in time. Palpatine nor Vader's will approaches Sauron's.

Sauron only has to swing his mace in their general direction while no one can kill or defeat the Witch King here.

2. He was beaten in combat because he's an idiot. Palpatine, corrupted? Fat chance. The One Ring has nothing to offer him, Palpatine wields a Force (Kekeke) far greater than it. And that's an irrelevant point you're bringing up to support your shitcake of an argument. Palpatine or Vader or Yoda effortlessly crush Sauron. What happens after is irrelevant.

3. Yoda, Sauron, or Vader only have to make a gesture in Sauron's general direction to crush his wrist and separate the ring from him. Oh, and Yoda is not a man of woman born either. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Various sourcebooks on the movies have entries on the materials used in SW.

That's what I thought. You don't have anything that can be used in the MVF.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. We see he destroyed his weapon due to his magic/power so to assume it's only due to the tie in of some sort of magical willpower thing without any proof is baseless indeed. A lightsaber gets just broken. Accept it.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that it works on things other than other magical beings doing a battle of wills.

Since I clearly proved that line of reasoning wrong (you just have to read a bit further in the same post you quoted my quote from), it's a futile attempt on your part.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. The Witch King can clearly be wounded. And he can be made to run away like a pussy by a torch, since he is weak to fire and heat. What does a lightsbaer emanate Quan?

2. He was beaten in combat because he's an idiot. Palpatine, corrupted? Fat chance. The One Ring has nothing to offer him, Palpatine wields a Force (Kekeke) far greater than it. And that's an irrelevant point you're bringing up to support your shitcake of an argument. Palpatine or Vader or Yoda effortlessly crush Sauron. What happens after is irrelevant.

3. Yoda, Sauron, or Vader only have to make a gesture in Sauron's general direction to crush his wrist and separate the ring from him. Oh, and Yoda is not a man of woman born either. 🙂

2.A lucky strike is a lucky strike. Palpatine was actually tactically disarmed which is a legit win over him. No luck to it Windu was simply better. Palpatine is corrupted already so why wouldn't he lust after an object of great power ? He's obsessed with power so this would play right into his hands I mean Gandalf feared his reactions and he's a man of morals and good judgment unlike Palpatine who is all about himself. Sauron could defeat them in a group. He's on another level.

3.They don't run around crushing people's wrists I mean why not do so to every non jedi/sith. It's just another desperate tactic when he knows he's beaten to make stuff up.