Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Wrong. The Witch King himself forms a flaming sword and lightsabers while powerful don't emit the heat of a torch. I also don't remember it ever being proven or stated the Witch King was one of the Nazgul driven off in part 1. The torch was to prove a point about the fire not consuming the rest of it just like the lightsaber won't be consumed either.
Gandalf: The Witchking of Angmar. You've met him before. He stabbed Frodo on Weathertop.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanks for conceding the point. Victory feels great. Gandalf's magic resisted.Yoda didn't avoid Palp's blast nor did he see Dooku as he sat there and watched helplessly tk attack his friends. Yoda isn't easily beating the Balrog at all. I myself could see it going either way.
Sauron's power, Saruman's abilities, and the Witch King cannot be killed by a man. That seals the deal.
You already ****ed up by making your baiting/trolling obvious. Game ended, was fun while it lasted.
Originally posted by ares834I wasn't 100 percent sure.
Gandalf: The Witchking of Angmar. You've met him before. He stabbed Frodo on Weathertop.
Originally posted by RobtardNot trolling just some trash talking that males tend to do from time to time.
You already ****ed up by making your baiting/trolling obvious. Game ended, was fun while it lasted.
I do tend to debate along with it and it's just my opinion in the end so take it however you will.
Originally posted by RobtardDid you even understand my point ? No, of course not you looked for any way to parachute out of this debate. My point is you hold a torch an inch away from someone's face you'll feel the heat and it'll burn you unlike a saber which has to make contact.
"lightsabers while powerful don't emit the heat of a torch"Your trolling/baiting was pretty good for a time, but that right there definitely ruined your game. Sorry, brah.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not trolling just some trash talking that males tend to do from time to time.I do tend to debate along with it and it's just my opinion in the end so take it however you will.
Trolling/baiting can be humorous if done well; not mad at you for it. As I said, was fun while it lasted.
Originally posted by quanchi1121. Are you being deliberately obtuse? He ran like a little pussy from a torch. You can't counter that, and you have admirably proven that. And if you paid attention you would know it was the Witch King. A torch sent him screaming. A lightsaber will **** him up.
1. Wrong. The Witch King himself forms a flaming sword and lightsabers while powerful don't emit the heat of a torch. I also don't remember it ever being proven or stated the Witch King was one of the Nazgul driven off in part 1. The torch was to prove a point about the fire not consuming the rest of it just like the lightsaber won't be consumed either.2.You are comparing a guy losing a few fingers to a ufc fight. First off in the ufc you don't or can't ko ten guys prior to fighting another guy in the same night. Luck implies a one on one fight he has no chance against Sauron which he doesn't. Cry more. Sidious didn't beat Yoda he stalemated him long enough for reinforcements to arrive. Palpatine held the higher ground and the environment also greatly benefited him.
3.Not applicable here. Desperation is running through your veins I see.
2. Since losing a few fingers made Sauron lose that fight yes. 🙂 Sidious made Yoda run away. Yoda himself admitted Sidious was too powerful. He beat him. Stop being an idiot (Though I guess that would be like asking water to stop being wet). Also, I can't help but notice you aren't actually providing reasons why Sauron can win, beyond "he's on another level." Stop posting here, leave my internet, and never come back.
3. Vader crushed a room with the Force in RotS. Crai moar.
Now go.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't prove it you threw out a wild theory and expected people to accept it. I am not easily led astray.
I did not present a "theory" I presented evidence for why he can't just explode random objects.
Counter-argue that point by showing where he explodes anything other than a magical object. Anything.
What you want to do is chalk it up to CIS (that's why he died, if he can explode any object like you're claiming). He didn't explode any object but one magical one in a battle of magical wills.
Originally posted by RobtardMy opinion isn't trolling.
Trolling/baiting can be humorous if done well; not mad at you for it. As I said, was fun while it lasted.
Originally posted by NemeBro1. A torch that burned him. The light saber won't set him on fire it will just cut him. The Witch King can just destroy the light saber's handle.
1. Are you being deliberately obtuse? He ran like a little pussy from a torch. You can't counter that, and you have admirably proven that. And if you paid attention you would know it was the Witch King. A torch sent him screaming. A lightsaber will **** him up.2. Since losing a few fingers made Sauron lose that fight yes. 🙂 Sidious made Yoda run away. Yoda himself admitted Sidious was too powerful. He beat him. Stop being an idiot (Though I guess that would be like asking water to stop being wet). Also, I can't help but notice you aren't actually providing reasons why Sauron can win, beyond "he's on another level." Stop posting here, leave my internet, and never come back.
3. Vader crushed a room with the Force in RotS. Crai moar.
Now go.
2.So you believe Isildur can defeat Sauron one on one in a forum fight ? You really are lost......Obi Wan Kenobi. Palpatine made him flee after his backup arrived and he bought enough time and distance to do so. Palpatine didn't defeat him he stalemated him. Windu beat Palpatine that's a legit win not your opponent leaving because backup has arrived and you're 400 yards away from your opponent. Sauron's power/his ring all he has to do is swing his mace in the general vicinity and they die. He can defeat them all in one swipe. Watch the fotr if you haven't already.
3.Vader never crushed someone's wrist acting like he can do so when he hasn't isn't a legit debating tactic you already were desperate enough to try to bring in clone wars material.
Originally posted by dadudemonYour theory is flawed. It's this simple he can destroy an object with magic or nothing backing it up that his magic is superior to. Trying to say it has to be magical without any proof is reaching. Just because he didn't do so doesn't mean he couldn't. We see Gandalf heat Aragorn's sword up which was non magical so I fail to see your point. You are wrong and just because Gandalf didn't heat anyone else's sword up that doesn't mean he couldn't. Do you understand how movies work ?
I did not present a "theory" I presented evidence for why he can't just explode random objects.Counter-argue that point by showing where he explodes anything other than a magical object. Anything.
What you want to do is chalk it up to CIS (that's why he died, if he can explode any object like you're claiming). He didn't explode any object but one magical one in a battle of magical wills.
Originally posted by quanchi1121.Lightsabers don't "cut," they burn you, they incinerate what they touch. So instead of just getting caught on fire, he will just lose his head.
1. A torch that burned him. The light saber won't set him on fire it will just cut him. The Witch King can just destroy the light saber's handle.2.So you believe Isildur can defeat Sauron one on one in a forum fight ? You really are lost......Obi Wan Kenobi. Palpatine made him flee after his backup arrived and he bought enough time and distance to do so. Palpatine didn't defeat him he stalemated him. Windu beat Palpatine that's a legit win not your opponent leaving because backup has arrived and you're 400 yards away from your opponent. Sauron's power/his ring all he has to do is swing his mace in the general vicinity and they die. He can defeat them all in one swipe. Watch the fotr if you haven't already.
3.Vader never crushed someone's wrist acting like he can do so when he hasn't isn't a legit debating tactic you already were desperate enough to try to bring in clone wars material.
No, the only things ever to be magically destroyed like that are Wizard's staves. It's meant to represent a superior Wizard destroying a weaker Wizard's power. Show me them just destroying anything else, by all means.
2. I believe he already did. 🙂 No, Yoda admitted Palpatine was too powerful, and this was after he sent Yoda crashing down hundreds of feet. Yoda admitted he was better, period. I don't give a shit about Windu beating Palpatine, stop bringing up irrelevant details in some futile attempt to distract me. Yoda survived being thrown hundreds of feet to the ground. Which is demonstratably a better durability feat than what Sauron can dish out. Anyone here can defeat Sauron with one gesture.
3. WK never destroyed anyone but a wizard's weapon, stop pretending he can. 🙂 Vader has crushed the throats of his opponents, why not the wrist? Beyond that, I already proved how much faster the Jedi/Sith are in another thread. Stop.
Please, Quano, your just repeating one thing over and over. Yes, we all know the WK and Sauron are very powerful. The problem is, extended contact to a lightsaber can melt blast doors. And it doesnt even take long, maybe a second and a half. (TPM first scenes, Jinn tries to get into bridge)
WK has no prophetic defence, Sauron is a quite a bit slower than Yoda, and Yoda also fights by jumping all around the place, they will be lucky to catch him.
Vader can choke Saruman without much problem.
Palps has lightning. He just fires it at whoever is left over, and well, LOTR team loses pretty badly. The super-human powers among the SW team are a far cry from the LOTR team. LOTR is mainly song and faith magic, or these guys case, Morgul. (Any fanboy knows what that translates as ;-D)
Its just the speed and range that team SW has that beats LOTR. Dont get me wrong, I wish LOTR could win, and if we could go by books, this would be FAR closer, but we cant.
A si-Dhuath u-orthor. U or le a u or nin.
I couldnt put in the accents, but still 😄
If we could ALL come up with a new argument/rebuttal, it would be nice.
Someone counter this:
Palpatine uses Force lightning on Witch King, creating fire and making WK run around like a pansy and fall off of a cliff.
Vader uses Force hold/crush/grab on Saruman to crush his larynx to prevent spell casting, hold his body at bay or throw it around, and grab his staff to cornhole him with it.
Yoda pulls some G Shit and jumps around like a crack head who drank 10 Red Bulls to dodge Sauron and hack & slash to dismember his hand and the One Ring.
All of the Force users have precog which aids their win.
Originally posted by NemeBro1. The point is they don't set you ablaze. That still won't kill the Witch King. It was definitely stated no man could do so.
1.Lightsabers don't "cut," they burn you, they incinerate what they touch. So instead of just getting caught on fire, he will just lose his head.No, the only things ever to be magically destroyed like that are Wizard's staves. It's meant to represent a superior Wizard destroying a weaker Wizard's power. Show me them just destroying anything else, by all means.
2. I believe he already did. 🙂 No, Yoda admitted Palpatine was too powerful, and this was after he sent Yoda crashing down hundreds of feet. Yoda admitted he was better, period. I don't give a shit about Windu beating Palpatine, stop bringing up irrelevant details in some futile attempt to distract me. Yoda survived being thrown hundreds of feet to the ground. Which is demonstratably a better durability feat than what Sauron can dish out. Anyone here can defeat Sauron with one gesture.
3. WK never destroyed anyone but a wizard's weapon, stop pretending he can. 🙂 Vader has crushed the throats of his opponents, why not the wrist? Beyond that, I already proved how much faster the Jedi/Sith are in another thread. Stop.
I don't need to. The point is they destroy a wizard's conduit of power in their staff. I already stated gandalf altered Aragorn's sword so acting as if he couldn't destroy it is nonsensical since he's demonstrated the ability to effect a nonmagical sword and destroy magical weapons. 2+2=4.
2.That isn't a forum fight that's Sauron destroying man after man in on brutal war. If you don't know the difference between this how can any further debate be expected of you ? Yoda admitted he failed. being too powerful really doesn't mean much here it's are you skilled enough to defeat your opponent with a saber or not. Yoda was unable to kill Dooku and I feel he always lacked the killer instinct required to finish upper level opponents but that doesn't mean he was outmatched only that he failed in defeating Palpatine with the opportunity he did have.
Gandalf also can fall much further but that doesn't mean he can laugh off a Sauron mace swipe. You are mistaking a lucky fall to his flesh being made of something other than flesh. Being ko'd by Palpatine's lightning also makes him look rather pathetic since no one else has been ko'd by his lightning.
3.Gandalf affected someone's weapon that isn't magical. Claiming mages can only destroy magical weapons when we've seen them affect other non magical weapons is just being dishonest. We both know this to be the case.
Because Vader hasn't done so it isn't in character for him to suddenly start crushing wrists. You need a eat to support this otherwise you're just powerset arguing.
Originally posted by PwnedIn virtually every debate if it goes on long enough circular arguments arise and repeating yourself becomes frequent.
Please, Quano, your just repeating one thing over and over. Yes, we all know the WK and Sauron are very powerful. The problem is, extended contact to a lightsaber can melt blast doors. And it doesnt even take long, maybe a second and a half. (TPM first scenes, Jinn tries to get into bridge)WK has no prophetic defence, Sauron is a quite a bit slower than Yoda, and Yoda also fights by jumping all around the place, they will be lucky to catch him.
Vader can choke Saruman without much problem.
Palps has lightning. He just fires it at whoever is left over, and well, LOTR team loses pretty badly. The super-human powers among the SW team are a far cry from the LOTR team. LOTR is mainly song and faith magic, or these guys case, Morgul. (Any fanboy knows what that translates as ;-D)
Its just the speed and range that team SW has that beats LOTR. Dont get me wrong, I wish LOTR could win, and if we could go by books, this would be FAR closer, but we cant.A si-Dhuath u-orthor. U or le a u or nin.
I couldnt put in the accents, but still 😄
WK can't be killedby any male. Period. He's also skilled and has shown the power to destroy objects. Sauron doesn't have to pinpoint him just strike in the general direction. When he amps himself with the ring we see how much more powerful his strikes become.
Saruman can fireball Vader to death. His saber can't stop the entire fireball. Saruman also displayed very impressive tk abilities which were more impressive battlewise than Vader. Vader choking random schlubs to death isn't impressive.
Palpatine's lightning isn't powerful. Sauron and the Witch King could straight up tank it. I mean Luke shook after the effects after under it for an extended period of time so why not two beings who are vastly more powerful.
You don't need to go books here.
Sorry about getting your name wrong btw, I noticed that
And no, a Man can kill the WK, I believe the wording was "Stop! You will not succeed, for his death is not at the hands of Man." or something along those lines. It doesnt mean that a man CANT kill him, it means a man WONT kill him. He can die perfectly well by a sword to the face from Aragorn. If you want, go to the LOTR forum and look up the debate. I think it got around 15-50 pages of debating it, so it will give you the answer you seek.
Vader can deflect the fireballs via the Force. He deflects Hans blaster shots in ESB, while Sarumans fireballs travel noticably (cant spell today) slower.
And yes, Sauron must still make contact with his mace to kill people, look at Elendil in FOTR.
And Palps lightning is more powerful than you let on, it threw Yoda back, threw Mace out a window, and had Luke writhing on the ground in obvious agony.
And like I said, I just WISH we could use the books for LOTR. They show a characters power far better than the movies.
Originally posted by PwnedI don't recall it being his destiny to die to a woman only that a man couldn't kill him. If you link me I will read it.
Sorry about getting your name wrong btw, I noticed thatAnd no, a Man can kill the WK, I believe the wording was "Stop! You will not succeed, for his death is not at the hands of Man." or something along those lines. It doesnt mean that a man CANT kill him, it means a man WONT kill him. He can die perfectly well by a sword to the face from Aragorn. If you want, go to the LOTR forum and look up the debate. I think it got around 15-50 pages of debating it, so it will give you the answer you seek.
Vader can deflect the fireballs via the Force. He deflects Hans blaster shots in ESB, while Sarumans fireballs travel noticably (cant spell today) slower.
And yes, Sauron must still make contact with his mace to kill people, look at Elendil in FOTR.
And Palps lightning is more powerful than you let on, it threw Yoda back, threw Mace out a window, and had Luke writhing on the ground in obvious agony.And like I said, I just WISH we could use the books for LOTR. They show a characters power far better than the movies.
No, he can't. That fireball surrounded Gandalf's entire body. Show me something that surrounded with the sheer size of the fireball vader deflecting from the movies. Blaster shots are nowhere near the size of the fireball.
Look at the other foes. Sure sometimes he does make contact but with the ring amping him he doesn't need to do so. The lightning blasted away on Windu for a time and he isn't a very powerful guy to begin wit outside the lightsaber and his force powers. Yes, it hurts but Sauron is obviously a lot more powerful than a human being which the force lightning hasn't killed as of yet we can attribute a death due to the force of it aline.
I think the movies do a good enough job. Look at how badass Gandalf was while fighting the Balrog.
Originally posted by NephthysForce lightning shorted it out and Luke walked away just fine. A fireball will do worse damage than a brief blast of force lightning.
Vader doesn't need to deflect the fireball. His entire body is armored.
Originally posted by PwnedYeah, it's just we don't have a lot of feats but we can tell by common sense and what we did see how mighty these characters are. Legolas is the feat king from the series but Gandalf made him look pathetic. That doesn't mean Legolas has a chance against gandalf despite having more feats is my point. But take your time I'm interested in reading the thread if I find the time.
You have a point with Gandalf.An antagonist killing a protagonist? What?
Ahem : "Size matters not. Look at me, judge me by my size do you? Hmm?"
Ill try and find the thread, but it may take a bit.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Force lightning shorted it out and Luke walked away just fine. A fireball will do worse damage than a brief blast of force lightning.
Lightning shorted him out because Vader is on life-support and walks around with a fvckton of cybernetic parts. Force Lightning is seriously damaging for him. A fireball will do nothing but singe his cape.
Especially given that his armor is made from the same materials as starships.
Yeah, I see where your coming from there. They really should have gone a bit more by the book for their respective power level things, its way off kilter. But I still have to say that, despite Gandalf being powerful in both, Gandalf>WK, and all that stuff, team SW still wins. The force just changes this around to much, and team LOTR just cant keep up with their magic. Sauron will get maybe 1 swing on Yoda, and Yoda can either
A) Lift him with the force or
B) Jump around like a guy on steroids with ADHD and kill Sauron with his lightsaber. That would be sufficient to take down Saruman as well, and Yoda has shown better TK feats by lifting the X-Wing, same with Vader, duelling AND using TK (ESB, Bespin) and crushing that whole room in ROTS.