Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader, & Yoda Vs. Saruman, Sauron, & Witch King

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's what I thought. You don't have anything that can be used in the MVF.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that it works on things other than other magical beings doing a battle of wills.

Since I clearly proved that line of reasoning wrong (you just have to read a bit further in the same post you quoted my quote from), it's a futile attempt on your part.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree about a handle surviving from the power of the Balrog. Look at the size and what he was capable of. Collateral damage alone just look at his sheer weight and imagine the amount of force he brings to bear.

From Wookiepedia:

The weapon consists of a blade of pure plasma emitted from the hilt and suspended in a force containment field. The field contained the immense heat of the plasma, protecting the wielder, and allowed the blade to keep its shape. The hilt was almost always self-fabricated by the wielder to match his or her specific needs, preferences and style. Due to the weightlessness of plasma and the strong gyroscopic effect generated by it, lightsabers required a great deal of strength and dexterity to wield, and it was extremely difficult—and dangerous—for the untrained to attempt using. However, in the hands of an expert of the Force, the lightsaber was a weapon to be greatly respected and feared. To wield a lightsaber was to demonstrate incredible skill and confidence, as well as masterful dexterity and attunement to the Force."

No matter how hard the Balrog hits the lightsaber, it's not going to break the hilt.

However, that's not saying that the grip of the bearer wouldn't break from stress and strain. That is, if they weren't using the Force as a back up for grip.

Originally posted by Impediment
From Wookiepedia:

The weapon consists of a blade of pure plasma emitted from the hilt and suspended in a force containment field. The field contained the immense heat of the plasma, protecting the wielder, and allowed the blade to keep its shape. The hilt was almost always self-fabricated by the wielder to match his or her specific needs, preferences and style. Due to the weightlessness of plasma and the strong gyroscopic effect generated by it, lightsabers required a great deal of strength and dexterity to wield, and it was extremely difficult—and dangerous—for the untrained to attempt using. However, in the hands of an expert of the Force, the lightsaber was a weapon to be greatly respected and feared. To wield a lightsaber was to demonstrate incredible skill and confidence, as well as masterful dexterity and attunement to the Force."

No matter how hard the Balrog hits the lightsaber, it's not going to break the hilt.

However, that's not saying that the grip of the bearer wouldn't break from stress and strain. That is, if they weren't using the Force as a back up for grip.

Well, of the Balrog hit the hilt then I would concede that the casing might be damaged or even destroyed. However, I think that is entirely unlikely to happen, since all three Force users are Master level. I think they'd know better

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have to prove it worked due to being magic only through a battle of wills. You made the claim not me.

And I did prove it.

Do you really want me to requote myself a second time (cause that's rude to do...on my part).

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. A saber isn't fire itself so I don't see it causing the level of fear from the Nazgul as a open flame does. Jedi aren't being burned in close proximity if a saber is almost at your skin.

2.A lucky strike is a lucky strike. Palpatine was actually tactically disarmed which is a legit win over him. No luck to it Windu was simply better. Palpatine is corrupted already so why wouldn't he lust after an object of great power ? He's obsessed with power so this would play right into his hands I mean Gandalf feared his reactions and he's a man of morals and good judgment unlike Palpatine who is all about himself. Sauron could defeat them in a group. He's on another level.

3.They don't run around crushing people's wrists I mean why not do so to every non jedi/sith. It's just another desperate tactic when he knows he's beaten to make stuff up.

2. "Luck" implies it wasn't due to the skill or lack of skill of the opponents present that it happened. If during a UFC fight, your opponent rushes towards you flapping his arms and yelling like an idiot, exposing his chin, it isn't luck that allowed you to down with with a blow to the chin. It was your opponent being a dumbass. And Windu would beat the shit out of Sauron too, so I don't see your point. Sidious also beat Yoda. Because relative to Star Wars the One Ring is not an object of great power. Mind control? Ability to command vast armies? All this Palpatine has already. Sauron is a pussy in comparison, he is in slow motion when compared to their speed. You haven't proved shit, as usual.

3. Mace kind of did crush Grievous' ribcage, hence the hacking cough in the films. And they don't do that to the Sith and Jedi because they can defend against it with the Force.

Originally posted by NemeBro
3. Mace kind of did crush Grievous' ribcage, hence the hacking cough in the films. And they don't do that to the Sith and Jedi because they can defend against it with the Force.

We went through that, already, back in '09. We can't use that feat because it is not a movie feat. In the AVF, we could...

Even then it's dubious at best. First, Grievous has his cough well before then. Secondly, there are quotes indicating that the force abilites in the show are exagerated. And finally, it doesn't fit into the narrative of Labrynth of Evil.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We went through that, already, back in '09. We can't use that feat because it is not a movie feat. In the AVF, we could...

But whatever. It's a stupid rule.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I was under the impression that it tied into the movie, so it could be used.

But whatever. It's a stupid rule.

Not that matters. More than enough evidence is shown in the movies that proves a Jedi is capable of crushing a chest/larynx etc.

All I really got out of what you said is that the CGI series is ****ing garbage.

Aye, it sucks.

I remember when Grievous was pretty badass.

Such times have been long forgotten it seems.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm not saying it would happen I am asking if it did happen would the handle survive intact ? You know I am right so just admit it.

Yoda can't easily force push the Balrog and he'd still catch Yoda on the way down with his fire whip. Yoda stood there like a jackass just resisting the material Dooku tossed at Obi and Anakin. Balrog unlike inanimate objects is going to resist.

Which I already said yes to, should the Balrog hit the hilt it would probably break; it's still an irrelevant point. Though the Balrog wasn't able to break Gandalf's sword with his flame-sword, so there is room to argue, but again, it's irrelevant.

Yoda could Push the Balrog off the that narrow bridge, he stopped several tons of rubble that had a large amount of momentum behind it. A rock monster made of smoke and shadow should be easier. Battle-precog allows Yoda to easily avoid the whip.

Instead of side-tracking the thread with irrelevant points, maybe try to prove your side. So far Jedi/Sith > This LoTR crew, rather easily too.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I remember when Grievous was pretty badass.

Such times have been long forgotten it seems.

The times, they are a-changing.

Grievous was only really a bad-ass in the 2003-2005 Star Wars: Clone Wars, correct?

Then again, most everyone was more bad-ass in that series, Mace taking out an army of droids with his fist, Yoda lifting a hill etc.

He was pretty damn good in the EU books as well.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And I did prove it.

Do you really want me to requote myself a second time (cause that's rude to do...on my part).

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. I'm sorry, are you under the impression that torch>lightsaber? Lightsaber slashes at WK, WK is burned, WK runs away crying. Lightsabers can melt through reinforced blast doors far harder than steel. It's like comparing a bon-fire to a welding torch, only in this case the welding torch is much, much hotter.

2. "Luck" implies it wasn't due to the skill or lack of skill of the opponents present that it happened. If during a UFC fight, your opponent rushes towards you flapping his arms and yelling like an idiot, exposing his chin, it isn't luck that allowed you to down with with a blow to the chin. It was your opponent being a dumbass. And Windu would beat the shit out of Sauron too, so I don't see your point. Sidious also beat Yoda. Because relative to Star Wars the One Ring is not an object of great power. Mind control? Ability to command vast armies? All this Palpatine has already. Sauron is a pussy in comparison, he is in slow motion when compared to their speed. You haven't proved shit, as usual.

3. Mace kind of did crush Grievous' ribcage, hence the hacking cough in the films. And they don't do that to the Sith and Jedi because they can defend against it with the Force.

2.You are comparing a guy losing a few fingers to a ufc fight. First off in the ufc you don't or can't ko ten guys prior to fighting another guy in the same night. Luck implies a one on one fight he has no chance against Sauron which he doesn't. Cry more. Sidious didn't beat Yoda he stalemated him long enough for reinforcements to arrive. Palpatine held the higher ground and the environment also greatly benefited him.

3.Not applicable here. Desperation is running through your veins I see.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which I already said yes to, should the Balrog hit the hilt it would probably break; it's still an irrelevant point. Though the Balrog wasn't able to break Gandalf's sword with his flame-sword, so there is room to argue, but again, it's irrelevant.

Yoda could Push the Balrog off the that narrow bridge, he stopped several tons of rubble that had a large amount of momentum behind it. A rock monster made of smoke and shadow should be easier. Battle-precog allows Yoda to easily avoid the whip.

Instead of side-tracking the thread with irrelevant points, maybe try to prove your side. So far Jedi/Sith > This LoTR crew, rather easily too.

Yoda didn't avoid Palp's blast nor did he see Dooku as he sat there and watched helplessly tk attack his friends. Yoda isn't easily beating the Balrog at all. I myself could see it going either way.

Sauron's power, Saruman's abilities, and the Witch King cannot be killed by a man. That seals the deal.

"lightsabers while powerful don't emit the heat of a torch"

Your trolling/baiting was pretty good for a time, but that right there definitely ruined your game. Sorry, brah.