Originally posted by NemeBro
Not if your power literally comes from them.
Again, not really. You're jumping to conclusions. Sauron > With King, therefore Sauron can do whatever the Witch King can. It's little different than the previous Gandalf and Sauron are both Maiar, therefore Sauron can do anything Gandalf can we had in one of these threads.
It's vague in the LoTR at best, magic and Sauron's abilities.
Originally posted by RobtardI can't believe you still don't get it. If the Surfer gets his powers from Galactus as his power source then the abilities of the Surfer are within Galactus own measure of abilities since he is the power source just like Sauron.
Strength in the terms of nonsense leaps of logic. But sorry, you shall not pass.
Originally posted by ares834
It's not because Sauron>Witch King... Its because the Witch King gets his powers from Sauron.
And again, it's a leap of logic without any substantial proof in the films that Sauron possesses the powers of his lackeys.
While say Jedi being able to use TK with the Force in multiple ways is well documented just as Wizards being able to cast a wide variety of spells, especially the more powerful ones like Snape.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I can't believe you still don't get it. If the Surfer gets his powers from Galactus as his power source then the abilities of the Surfer are within Galactus own measure of abilities since he is the power source just like Sauron.
I can't believe you're still grasping so desperately to win with these reaches based on little more than "I like LoTR more."
BTW, how did it turn out for Galactus? Exactly. He was killed by his lackey.
Originally posted by RobtardWhen was Galactus killed by his lackey ? This is also common sense you seem to be too stubborn to admit you're wrong.
I can't believe you're still grasping so desperately to win with these reaches based on little more than "I like LoTR more."BTW, how did it turn out for Galactus? Exactly. He was killed by his lackey.
Originally posted by ares834
It's not a leap of logic if it's common sense. Everything the Witch King does magically is through the power of Sauron not his own power.
I'm not saying it's outright impossible. Just prove it.
EG, if I said Sauron could shoot fireballs I'd have to prove it; not, I claim it and someone else has to disprove it or else it's true.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not saying it's outright impossible. Just prove it.
Look at Witch King break Gandalf's staff. Now realize that Witch King gets all his powers from Sauron. Now put A and B together and realize that Sauron can break Gandalf's staff.
EG, if I said Sauron could shoot fireballs I'd have to prove it; not, I claim it and someone else has to disprove it or else it's true.
Not even remotely similar. No one who derives his power from Sauron ever shoots a fireball in the moves (Saruman does not get his power from Sauron.)
Originally posted by ares834👆
Look at Witch King break Gandalf's staff. Now realize that Witch King gets all his powers from Sauron. Now put A and B together and realize that Sauron can break Gandalf's staff.Not even remotely similar. No one who derives his power from Sauron ever shoots a fireball in the moves (Saruman does not get his power from Sauron.)
Originally posted by quanchi112
Context. I guess if I have powers and give you powers that means I can't replicate them I can just hand them out though, right ?
So now you remember F4:RoTSS, good. Though it was shit.
Or some beings just happen to have powers others don't. Staff breaking powers also aren't all that uber, it's pretty tailored for specific fights/foes.
Originally posted by RobtardSurfer capitalized under the circumstances. Staff breaking powers are pretty formidable against wizards though. Sauron already has the strength to crush warriors so I'd say he's pretty formidable when you break it down.
So now you remember F4:RoTSS, good. Though it was shit.Or some beings just happen to have powers others don't. Staff breaking powers also aren't all that uber, it's pretty tailored for specific fights/foes.
Originally posted by ares834
Look at Witch King break Gandalf's staff. Now realize that Witch King gets all his powers from Sauron. Now put A and B together and realize that Sauron can break Gandalf's staff.Not even remotely similar. No one who derives his power from Sauron ever shoots a fireball in the moves (Saruman does not get his power from Sauron.)
Again, while it's possible, you need to prove it with more than "I want Sauron to win cos I like him better" reasoning.
Why not? Sarumon, The Balrog, Gandalf and Sauron are all Maiar, so they must have the same powers, it's like-logic you're using.
Originally posted by Robtard
Again, while it's possible, you need to prove it with more than "I want Sauron to win cos I like him better" reasoning.
Do you not use common sense? I don't get what you don't understand. Sauron gives the Witch King all his magic powers, including the staff breaking ones.
Why not? Sarumon, The Balrog, Gandalf and Sauron are all Maiar, so they must have the same powers, it's like-logic you're using.
How is it even remotely similar? They all have diffrent powers because they are diffrent Maiar. The Witch King is basically a vessel of Sauron's power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer capitalized under the circumstances.Staff breaking powers are pretty formidable against wizards though. Sauron already has the strength to crush warriors so I'd say he's pretty formidable when you break it down.
Or he used powers his master didn't have to turn around and destroy his master.
Considering there were how many wizards in LoTR, it's a niche power to have/want.
But hey, lets just pretend Sauron can break magical staves and therefore magical wands when it comes down to a magic stand-off. Going from the films. Gandalf was actively trying to scare off the Witch King with his light as he had done earlier to the lesser Nazgul, though he failed later cos the Witch King's magical resolve/power was stronger. I think we call can agree this is how that fight went down.
1) Is the staff-breaking power applicable at all time, like can he look at any magical staff and destroy it, say one lying on the floor that's not being used?
2) Would Snape use a like spell as Gandalf did/try and do a magical battle-of-wills against Sauron or would he just start teleporting and casting attack spells and not bother with a magic-dick-measuring-contest?
3)If Sauron and Snape did come down to a magical battle-of-wills like Gandalf and the Witch King, is Sauron magically more powerful than Snape? Cos Snape has a shitload of spells; he's one of the more powerful HP wizards.
Originally posted by Robtard
3)If Sauron and Snape did come down to a magical battle-of-wills like Gandalf and the Witch King, is Sauron magically more powerful than Snape? Cos Snape has a shitload of spells; he's one of the more powerful HP wizards.
Considering the fact that Gandalf shakes the very ground just by speaking Sauron's words of power etched on the ring I'd be inclined to say Sauron.
Originally posted by ares834
Do you not use common sense? I don't get what you don't understand. Sauron gives the Witch King all his magic powers, including the staff breaking ones.How is it even remotely similar? They all have diffrent powers because they are diffrent Maiar. The Witch King is basically a vessel of Sauron's power.
Yes, you don't though, you use leaps. The Nazgul get their powers from the 'Nine Rings of Power', which were crafted by elves and assisted by Sauron. The reason the One Ring was crafted by Sauron in secret was to control the others. Though in the movie it just mentions the rings 3, 7 and 9 were crafted for the Elves, Dwarves and Men; while Sauron crafted in secret the One Ring in Mt Doom to control them. It's The Witch King's power-ring that powers him and Sauron controlled/corrupted him through the One Ring, which was designed to control. Clear now?
But I'm saying so, so you need to prove it's not true.