Sauron vs Snape

Originally posted by Robtard
3)If Sauron and Snape did come down to a magical battle-of-wills like Gandalf and the Witch King, is Sauron magically more powerful than Snape? Cos Snape has a shitload of spells; he's one of the more powerful HP wizards.

Actually no. He has only displayed 5 or so spells. We've been over this.

Why don't you go ahead a prove using feats he's capable of 'shitloads of spells'

You cannot lock one character in a thread down due to lack of showing, then allow assumptions for the other character in the same thread. It cannot work that way.

Plus more means he's better?

What the heck kind of logic is that??

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Actually no. He has only displayed 5 or so spells. We've been over this.

Why don't you go ahead a prove using feats he's capable of 'shitloads of spells'

You cannot lock one character in a thread down due to lack of showing, then allow assumptions for the other character in the same thread. It cannot work that way.

Plus more means he's better?

What the heck kind of logic is that??

I like it when I can just copy/paste:

Originally posted by Robtard
And again, it's a leap of logic without any substantial proof in the films that Sauron possesses the powers of his lackeys.

While say Jedi being able to use TK with the Force in multiple ways is well documented just as Wizards being able to cast a wide variety of spells, especially the more powerful ones like Snape.

PS, weren't you done?

Originally posted by Robtard
I like it when I can just copy/paste:

Oh no no no, You need to prove it, using movie feats.

Because, you know, I'd bet that it's never even mentioned Snape has lots of spells.

He teaches potions doesn't he? Any wand work involved in that class?

He applied for the defence against the dark arts like what? 5 times? And was rejected all the time.... mustn't have too much experience in that area despite your claims of uber spell lists.

And he's clearly not that good if he was trashed by a transfiguration teacher.

I'm just saying.....

You need to do what you're demanding of others, and prove it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, you don't though, you use leaps. The Nazgul get their powers from the 'Nine Rings of Power', which were crafted by elves and assisted by Sauron. The reason the One Ring was crafted by Sauron in secret was to control the others. Though in the movie it just mentions the rings 3, 7 and 9 were crafted for the Elves, Dwarves and Men; while Sauron crafted in secret the One Ring in Mt Doom to control them. It's The Witch King's power-ring that powers him and Sauron controlled/corrupted him through the One Ring, which was designed to control. Clear now?

Are you that desperate to have Snape win? Sauron's power corrupted those rings making them his own, they were no longer what they were intended to be. Also Aragorn says they were given those rings by Sauron indicating that even in the film versions Sauron had a hand in creating them.

But I'm saying so, so you need to prove it's not true.

I won't. I'm fine with you saying Sauron can throw around fireballs.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Oh no no no, You need to prove it, using movie feats.

Because, you know, I'd bet that it's never even mentioned Snape has lots of spells.

He teaches potions doesn't he? Any wand work involved in that class?

He applied for the defence against the dark arts like what? 5 times? And was rejected all the time.... mustn't have too much experience in that area despite your claims of uber spell lists.

And he's clearly not that good if he was trashed by a transfiguration teacher.

I'm just saying.....

You need to do what you're demanding of others, and prove it.

I already did, you're just to stubborn and angry now to listen. It's cute though.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Actually no. He has only displayed 5 or so spells. We've been over this.

Why don't you go ahead a prove using feats he's capable of 'shitloads of spells'

You cannot lock one character in a thread down due to lack of showing, then allow assumptions for the other character in the same thread. It cannot work that way.

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Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Originally posted by ares834
Are you that desperate to have Snape win? Sauron's power corrupted those rings making them his own, they were no longer what they were intended to be. Also Aragorn says they were given those rings by Sauron indicating that even in the film versions Sauron had a hand in creating them.

I won't. I'm fine with you saying Sauron can throw around fireballs.

Maybe you need to watch the intro to Fellowship again, eh? He corrupted the ring bearers, which were men and easily corrupted. We didn't see 3 elven and 7 dwarven Nazgul did we? So again, the Nazgul get their powers from the nine rings, just something you'll need to accept.

Of course you won't, fanboys like to imagine things. He can also shoot lightning from his ass, it's so, cos I said it.

Originally posted by ares834
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Hypocrisy at it's finest.

You need to look-up the meaning of the word hypocrisy.

-You failed to prove the Witch King is powered by Sauron.

-Others failed to prove that all Maiar have the same powers/abilities.

Now, if Sauron were a Nazgul, you'd have something to stand on, but you don't.

Wizards on the other hand use the same spells and it's more reliant on the power/skill level of the caster and/or whether they're evil or good. Apples to oranges comparison she's making, but she's too stubborn and angry to see. It's cute though.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe you need to watch the intro to Fellowship again, eh? He corrupted the ring bearers, which were men and easily corrupted. We didn't see 3 elven and 7 dwarven Nazgul did we? So again, the Nazgul get their powers from the nine rings, just something you'll need to accept.

Maybe we should use a thing called logic. But if we are being so restrictive to LotR we should do so to HP. Eh. As for the three, Elves (and Gandalf who also held one of the rings) are shown to be corruptable. So clearly there is a diffrent reason why they were able to stop Sauron's influence from reaching them (they hid the rings).

Of course you won't, fanboys like to imagine things. He can also shoot lightning from his ass, it's so, cos I said it.

Cool. Never realized you were a fanboy for Sauron, you sure had me fooled!

Originally posted by Robtard
I already did, you're just to stubborn and angry now to listen. It's cute though.

Lol, don't even try to dodge. Provide the feats. Or Snape is looking pretty limited...

Originally posted by Robtard
You need to look-up the meaning of the word hypocrisy.

1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

Certainly fits your argument.

-You failed to prove the Witch King is powered by Sauron.

I used logic. But if we go this way you failed to prove that Snape has all these spells other than "neenee I said so!" Movie feats only right?

Originally posted by ares834
Maybe we should use a thing called logic. But if we are being so restrictive to LotR we should do so to HP. Eh. As for the three, Elves (and Gandalf who also held one of the rings) are shown to be corruptable. So clearly there is a diffrent reason why they were able to stop Sauron's influence from reaching them (they hid the rings).

Cool. Never realized you were a fanboy for Sauron, you sure had me fooled!

Again, because Sauron corrupted the ring bearers. You need to watch the intro to LoTR, you really do.

Dur. Dur. Dur.

Originally posted by ares834
1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

Certainly fits your argument.

I used logic. But if we go this way you failed to prove that Snape has all these spells other than "neenee I said so!" Movie feats only right?

Cos that fits here.

Listen, you tried with the "Witch King gets his powers from Sauron, therefore Sauran can do anything he can" and it exploded in your face. Deal with, it's the rings that power the Nazgul.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, because Sauron corrupted the ring bearers. You need to watch the intro to LoTR, you really do.

And how did he corrupt these ring bearers hmm. Do you believe he gave them his ring for awhile? No, he used his One Ring to dominate and master the nine corrupting them which in turn corrupted the men.

"In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged in secret a Master Ring to control all others."

However, why the other ringbeaers weren't corrupted is never explained in the movie.

Originally posted by Robtard
Cos that fits here.

No it doesn't. If Sauron is resticted to movie feats only than so should Snape.

Deal with, it's the rings that power the Nazgul.

Read above.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Lol, don't even try to dodge. Provide the feats. Or Snape is looking pretty limited...

Love it when I can copy/paste:

(no, not you with the first line)

Originally posted by Robtard
-You failed to prove the Witch King is powered by Sauron.

-Others failed to prove that all Maiar have the same powers/abilities.

Now, if Sauron were a Nazgul, you'd have something to stand on, but you don't.

Wizards on the other hand use the same spells and it's more reliant on the power/skill level of the caster and/or whether they're evil or good. Apples to oranges comparison she's making, but she's too stubborn and angry to see. It's cute though.

But if you certainly want to play the rules to their utmost strictest out of butthurt cos Sauron didn't do much in the 20 seconds, then Sauron can just walk slow, swing a very powerful mace and stomp on swords. He has literally no chance of winning here, while Snape possibly can. He could mind-control Sauron to take off the ring. Also pretty sure he used reducto in one of the films, I'd have to look into it closer.

Originally posted by ares834
And how did he corrupt these ring bearers hmm. Do you believe he gave them his ring for awhile? No, he used his One Ring to dominate and master the nine corrupting them which in turn corrupted the men.

"In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged in secret a Master Ring to control all others."

However, why the other ringbeaers weren't corrupted is never explained in the movie.

And how does that take away that the Nazgul get their powers from the rings and not through Sauron? It doesn't. The one ring is to corrupt and control, not give magical staff breaking powers to others who are not holding it.

Originally posted by Robtard
And how does that take away that the Nazgul get their powers from the rings and not through Sauron? It doesn't. The one-ring is to corrupt and control, not give magical powers to others not holding it.

It's the Ring of Power. It does more than simply corrupt and control. I would also point out that the Witch King is empowered when he blows up Gandalf's staff "This is my hour!" (wonder where he got this power boost). Furthermore, the Nazgul clearly derive their power from the One ring. They can sense it and see people when they wear it in fact that is when their true form is revealed. Furthermore, they appear to die when the ring is destroyed as they loose control of their mounts. Meanwhile, the other rings aren't ever shown to grant any abilites at all...

Edit: Hell do the Nazgul even wear their rings in the movies? If they don't it would be keeping in line with the books. Looking back through the films I don't remember ever seeing a ring on their fingers.

Originally posted by ares834
It's the Ring of Power. It does more than simply corrupt and control. I would also point out that the Witch King is empowered when he blows up Gandalf's staff "This is my hour!" (wonder where he got this power boost). Furthermore, the Nazgul clearly derive their power from the One ring. They can sense it and see people when they wear it in fact that is when their true form is revealed. Furthermore, they appear to die when the ring is destroyed as they loose control of their mounts. Meanwhile, the other rings aren't ever shown to grant any abilites at all...

Edit: Hell do the Nazgul even wear their rings in the movies? If they don't it would be keeping in line with the books. Looking back through the films I don't remember ever seeing a ring on their fingers.

They're all "rings of power" technically. What it doesn't do though, is give powers to those not bearing it through Sauron.

IIRC, he said something like "old fool, do you not know death when you see it? This is my power." Another reason that scene shouldn't have been cut.

It's like saying a TV remote powers the TV itself because it controls it.

Good question actually and this would prove one of us correct by film standards. IRC, only time we see a Nazgul without an armoured hand is when Frodo dons the one ring and we see the With King's skeletal left hand reach for him. So I can safely say he wasn't wearing it on his left.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe you need to watch the intro to Fellowship again, eh? He corrupted the ring bearers, which were men and easily corrupted. We didn't see 3 elven and 7 dwarven Nazgul did we? So again, the Nazgul get their powers from the nine rings, just something you'll need to accept.

Nice job remembering this. 👆