Originally posted by Robtard
Years of destroying RJ's HP-fanboy points in here have netted me enough knowledge to know that spell is only useful against flesh.Sauron did have his eyes exposed though, iirc.
You are quite correct. In fact, if we watch the scene:
We can see that the spell bypasses Malfoys shirt completely. Therefore I think its likely that Snape could similarly bypass Saurons armor, cutting Saurons fingers off rather easily.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You should be sorry.my poor feelings..... 🙁
I know its a normal sword. But I don't see how the above helped it to cut off Saurons fingers. Being able to stay sharp for a really long time isn't important in that respect.
If I'm not mistaken, you're asserting that its only because of its magical properties that it was able to cut off Saurons fingers, so Snapes magic won't be up to the task (lolwut). I however see nothing about the sword that leads me to think that a non-magical one would have been unable to cut his fingers off just the same. If you do think so, please provide proof for that line of reasoning.
Plus the sword was snapped by Sauron stomping on it. Meh.
Actually I think it was because only Isildur's Heir could use that sword to command the Armies of the Dead. It would have been pointless to give it to, say, Theoden. He couldn't have used it to do what Aragorn did with it.
Can I take this as a concession that you lack the feats required to continue your assertion? Because I agree. Narsil properties were not expanded upon adequetely for that.
Snape has 'Sectumsempra', a spell that slashes the enemy like a blade. Only Snape can use it for 50 feet away.
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I'm sorreh! D=
Eh, i'm trying to...convey that the reason Sauron stepped on it was because it was one of the few things that could harm him so easily. Not that was capable. For example, do i think if someone shot him with an arrow he's be as hurt (size ratio wise) as anyone else? No, I really don't.
I just can't follow the line of reasoning.
Sauron deliberately steps on it
The Elven Lord regards it very highly
It's edge has not dulled in thousands of years
Aragorn refuses it's 'power'
I cannot follow any logic that would call it the same as the sword he was using previously save for the deal with the dead. It's just foreign to me.
Snape was never shown to use that ability 😖hifty:
And in the instance Harry used it he was about... what... 20 feet away. Where did 50 come from?
Originally posted by RobtardHe let his guard down like I've said a thousand times and won't be leaning forward with his hand in this fashion. I don't recall either the ring amping him at this moment like when he was physically assaulting the army.
Not his armor by any accounts of the film and his fingers get cut off just as easily as human fingers. So everything you said about Sauron doesn't matter.
Originally posted by Robtard
Except that is was only used against a metal sword. You're doing a No Limit Fallacy now. Might has well say Sauron could have melted every Numerian and Elf in the battle of the Last Alliance had he wished.Casting a fireball is not the same as causing metal (or an object) to heat up. Apples to oranges.
That was just a title by all accounts in the film and in the books it's just as vague. Could be that he had one of the rings of the elves and was implying this.
No, there isn't, you're doing a No Limit Fallacy, as noted. You're also giving Sauron powers he never used or were even implied.
There's no such argument being made
Using a super heat spell on wood as opposed to metal is a 'no limit fallacy' ...? That's just ridiculous =p
Your words 'causing an object to heat up'
If that object is Snapes wand, he's f**ked. Can you refute it or are you just going to spout more nonsense?
And your words again 'Sauron is not 'like the same' to the Witch King'. He IS the same as Gandalf only a much more powerful Maiar. So grow up. I'm playing by your rules no matter how much I disagree with the reasoning Sauron is nothing like WK I am disregarding WK feats.
Stop throwing the toys out of the pram please. It's not pleasant to have to respond to.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I'm sorreh! D=Eh, i'm trying to...convey that the reason Sauron stepped on it was because it was one of the few things that could harm him so easily. Not that was capable. For example, do i think if someone shot him with an arrow he's be as hurt (size ratio wise) as anyone else? No, I really don't.
I think it he stepped on it because the dude was going for a sword. If he was actually worried about it and it was 'one of the few things that could harm him' then he wouldn't have reached for Isildur when he was still clutching teh broken part of it.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I just can't follow the line of reasoning.Sauron deliberately steps on it
The Elven Lord regards it very highly
It's edge has not dulled in thousands of years
Aragorn refuses it's 'power'I cannot follow any logic that would call it the same as the sword he was using previously save for the deal with the dead. It's just foreign to me.
Sauron stepping on it doesn't prove much of anything.
The Elven Lords regard it highly because it was the weapon that defeated Sauron.
So?
Aragorn schtick is that he doesn't want to become King. The refusal is just another part of that. The sword doesn't display any 'power' that Aragon could refuse other than being Isildur's sword.What is he refusing here in your mind?
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Snape was never shown to use that ability 😖hifty:
And in the instance Harry used it he was about... what... 20 feet away. Where did 50 come from?
He invented the spell.
Harry uses it later on Snape when he's much farther away than Draco was in teh bathroom.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He let his guard down like I've said a thousand times and won't be leaning forward with his hand in this fashion. I don't recall either the ring amping him at this moment like when he was physically assaulting the army.
Unless Sauron hides his hand up his ass, it will be an easy target, it's a giant humaniod hand clad in plate-armour.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
There's no such argument being madeUsing a super heat spell on wood as opposed to metal is a 'no limit fallacy' ...? That's just ridiculous =p
Your words 'causing an object to heat up'
If that object is Snapes wand, he's f**ked. Can you refute it or are you just going to spout more nonsense?
And your words again 'Sauron is not 'like the same' to the Witch King'. He IS the same as Gandalf only a much more powerful Maiar. So grow up. I'm playing by your rules no matter how much I disagree with the reasoning Sauron is nothing like WK I am disregarding WK feats.
Stop throwing the toys out of the pram please. It's not pleasant to have to respond to.
It was to illustrate your use of a no limit fallacy and where those can lead, obviously.
It's a magical wand, not some common twig.
Can you post without using logical fallacies and giving powers to Sauron that were not shown/implied or are you just going to continue fangirling?
As someone pointed out, they're the same race, doesn't mean they all have the same powers. Yeah, the fangirl telling someone else they need to grow up cos their favorite can't win. Classic move.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think it he stepped on it because the dude was going for a sword. If he was actually worried about it and it was 'one of the few things that could harm him' then he wouldn't have reached for Isildur when he was still clutching teh broken part of it.Sauron stepping on it doesn't prove much of anything.
The Elven Lords regard it highly because it was the weapon that defeated Sauron.
So?
Aragorn schtick is that he doesn't want to become King. The refusal is just another part of that. The sword doesn't display any 'power' that Aragon could refuse other than being Isildur's sword.What is he refusing here in your mind?
He invented the spell.
Harry uses it later on Snape when he's much farther away than Draco was in teh bathroom.
I can only summarize we cannot see eye to eye when it comes to Narsil. Plus I find it difficult to think of how I might go about trying to compare a cutting spell to that of a Sword....
I propose we agree to disagree on this subject given it's lack of relevance 😬
Yeah, but he wasn't shown to actually use it.... apparently that's a big deal in this thread 😛 (joke)
I don't recall that second instance though..... not clearly enough for it to be 50ft away. I only remember Snape brushing off a spell then basically laughing at Harry for still having to speak the spells name.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, you are.It's a magical wand, not some common twig.
Can you post without using logical fallacies and giving powers to Sauron that were not shown/implied or are you just going to continue fangirling?
As someone pointed out, they're the same race, doesn't mean they all have the same powers. Yeah, the fangirl telling someone else they need to grow up cos their favorite can't win. Classic move.
When has a wand ever shown much greater durability than what a none-magical wand of the same size would. If I recall correctly Ron snaps his in the second movie. And it wasn't some special occurrence either....
Harrys broom, which is also magical therefore one assumes the same rules applies was decimated by the Whomping Willow
I'm sorry, I mistook a Necromancer for someone who was proficient with magic... And I forgot that not all the Maiar in Lord of the Rings are magical...
Oh wait
And Harry must be INSANELY STRONG.
Spoiler:
He snapped that Elder wand, you know, the greatest wand ever, like it was a shoddy made wooden ruler. Dude's the new hulk fo sure
Originally posted by EvilAngel
When has a wand ever shown much greater durability than what a none-magical wand of the same size would. If I recall correctly Ron snaps his in the second movie. And it wasn't some special occurrence either....Harrys broom, which is also magical therefore one assumes the same rules applies was decimated by the Whomping Willow
I'm sorry, I mistook a Necromancer for someone who was proficient with magic... And I forgot that not all the Maiar in Lord of the Rings are magical...
Oh wait
And Harry must be INSANELY STRONG.
Spoiler:
He snapped that Eldar wand, you know, the greatest wand ever, like it was a shoddy made wooden ruler. Dude's the new hulk fo sure
We're talking about casting spells on said wand that thus far were only used to heat up a metal sword. Your argument is apples to oranges.
Same as above.
I'm sorry, so all Mair have the same abilities and powers?? All Elves? All Humans? Yes?
Oh wait indeed.
Again, apples to oranges. Now if you want to argue that Sauron could stomp Snapes wand and crush it like he did Narsil, I agree, he could do that.
Originally posted by ares834
Yep, the Witch King just derives his powers from Sauron...
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Obviously the Witch King is more magically powerful than his master Sauron.... you didn't know that? 😐
Just because an underling is weaker, doesn't mean the master can perform the exact same powers and abilities.
Evil Angel, can you at least try to debate using the MVF rules even mildly? I know you can.
Originally posted by Robtard
We're talking about casting spells on said wand that thus far were only used to heat up a metal sword. Your argument is apples to oranges.Same as above.
I'm sorry, so all Mair have the same abilities and powers? All wizards are the same? All Elves? All Humans? Yes.
Oh wait indeed.
Again, applies to oranges. Now if you want to argue that Sauron cound stomp Snapes want and crush it like he did Narsil, I agree, he could do that.
Why on earth would he not be able to use it on wood? You think the spell requires a magnetic lock on or something I think you need to provide a reason why it can't if an ability is otherwise been shown to be used.
That's more like an elf having a mortal life span, or a jedi who is not force sensitive. Nonsense in other words.
Originally posted by RobtardHe wasn't an easy target prior to destroying the sword and he won't be an easy target here unless he reaches forward like he did against Isildur.
Unless Sauron hides his hand up his ass, it will be an easy target, it's a giant humaniod hand clad in plate-armour.
Originally posted by ares834👆
Yep, the Witch King just derives his powers from Sauron...