Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Easily.... dark swarm in the background other layers of thousands of dragons in like the middle ground layer, and the foreground dragons that we can see clear in foreground... a nice parallax shot or two...job done.

And why not? We buy the narration in Lord of the Rings as it was actually shown.

Onscreen evidence talks...narration BS walks.

Uhm when he says something as narrator it's a fact. But you're an unreasonable McClaniac but I feel there's still some good in you.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Ive been nothing but reasonable.

Van Zan lacks totally what is hypothetically* needed to beat McClane.

You as a deluded Van Zan Fan, can accept this with a lot of work.

* Hypothetically, since unlike Van Zan, McClane never died on screen, and especially not on the 1st movie.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ive been nothing but reasonable.

Van Zan lacks totally what is hypothetically* needed to beat McClane.

You as a deluded Van Zan Fan, can accept this with a lot of work.

* Hypothetically, since unlike Van Zan, McClane never died on screen, and especially not on the 1st movie.

Dominating someone isn't anywhere near like being dominated in hand to hand fighting for four films like Johnny boy.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

You keep repeating that claim adnauseam, now list me those who dominated him and how they dominated him exactly... Shouldn't be a problem for someone claiming to be such an authority on the theory.

Also note that he beat them all.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You keep repeating that claim adnauseam, now list me those who dominated him and how they dominated him exactly... Shouldn't be a problem for someone claiming to be such an authority on the theory.

Also note that he beat them all.

Do I honestly have to go through something we both know to be true. I know McClane always wiggles out of trouble in his own movies due to guns and being lucky but that doesn't fly in a versus thread.

Robtard Senor Member

Hahahaa, another dodge.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Robtard
Hahahaa, another dodge.
We both know McClane's history so why go through all of this youtube hunting.

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
We both know McClane's history so why go through all of this youtube hunting.

Sadako is a kind and gentle person, so he'll probably let it slide and just gracefully accept your concession.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Robtard
Sadako is a kind and gentle person, so he'll probably let it slide and just gracefully accept your concession.
It's like asking someone to prove something everyone has acknowledged already. He accepts it because it's the way McClane fights.

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's like asking someone to prove something everyone has acknowledged already. He accepts it because it's the way McClane fights.

Except you're taking something and over-blowing it so it suits your purpose.

You continually dodge, either just STFU about your nonsense or prove yourself correct.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Robtard
Except you're taking something and over-blowing it so it suits your purpose.

You continually dodge, either just STFU about your nonsense or prove yourself correct.

Just like you undersell Zan's pwning of Quinn. My conclusion is consistent with both of their portrayals.

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
Just like you undersell Zan's pwning of Quinn. My conclusion is consistent with both of their portrayals.

Incorrect, as we both see Quinn's nigh undamaged face and how he's eager to get back to fighting after said "pwning".

Yet another dodge. Either prove your statement (shouldn't be hard) or STFU.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode
Originally posted by Robtard
Sadako is a kind and gentle person, so he'll probably let it slide and just gracefully accept your concession.

I can be yes, and yes I have therefore accepted said massive, undeniable dodge/concession.

Lestov16 CTU Field Agent

The narrator is canon, but that's not the problem here. Quan, you seem to be under the impression that "fighting" dragons the same same as H2H with humans. Zan didn't "fight" dragons. He hunted them with dragon hunting equipment. Doing a more dangerous job does not automatically mean that he gains massive H2H skill. McClane has several times demonstrated H2H skill which, compared with Zan's fight, appears to be more overwhelming. The people who did "dominate" McClane were highly skilled martial artists or freakishly large hulks whom would probably whup Zan's ass even worse, and McClane still came out on top in the fight, whereas Zan's victory is more uncertain

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Robtard
Incorrect, as we both see Quinn's nigh undamaged face and how he's eager to get back to fighting after said "pwning".

Yet another dodge. Either prove your statement (shouldn't be hard) or STFU.

Zan was pulled off of him meaning the beatdown wasn't over.
Originally posted by Lestov16
The narrator is canon, but that's not the problem here. Quan, you seem to be under the impression that "fighting" dragons the same same as H2H with humans. Zan didn't "fight" dragons. He hunted them with dragon hunting equipment. Doing a more dangerous job does not automatically mean that he gains massive H2H skill. McClane has several times demonstrated H2H skill which, compared with Zan's fight, appears to be more overwhelming. The people who did "dominate" McClane were highly skilled martial artists or freakishly large hulks whom would probably whup Zan's ass even worse, and McClane still came out on top in the fight, whereas Zan's victory is more uncertain
Zan did fight the male dragon at the end of the movie with an axe.

McClane didn't really defeat that many skilled fighters due to hand to hand only mainly due to being the star and being lucky.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I can be yes, and yes I have therefore accepted said massive, undeniable dodge/concession.
You already agreed early on so it's just a stall tactic.

Lestov16 CTU Field Agent
Originally posted by quanchi112
Zan did fight the male dragon at the end of the movie with an axe.

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What is your definition of "fight?"

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
Zan was pulled off of him meaning the beatdown wasn't over.

So you agree that Van Zan doesn't even have one full fight/win, just a broken up minor scrap were both opponents were ready to re-engage. Good.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Lestov16
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What is your definition of "fight?"

attacking an opponent in a combat situation.
Originally posted by Robtard
So you agree that Van Zan doesn't even have one full fight/win, just a broken up minor scrap were both opponents were ready to re-engage. Good.
The movie made it clear he'd have killed him. He no sold a cheapshot punch. McClane probably doesn't even really phase him.

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
The movie made it clear he'd have killed him. He no sold a cheapshot punch. McClane probably doesn't even really phase him.

Some chick saying "he would have killed you" doesn't supersede what we actually see, Quinn getting up with little damage and being ready to continue the fight. Condolences, Van Zan hits like a puff.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Some chick saying "he would have killed you" doesn't supersede what we actually see, Quinn getting up with little damage and being ready to continue the fight. Condolences, Van Zan hits like a puff.
We see Quinn being manhandled. I mean he a cheapshot didn't affect him so it's pretty clear how that fight was going to end.