Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Originally posted by quanchi112
Downplaying Van Zan isn't going to deter me. I hate that style of debating.

What I mean is:

Originally posted by quanchi112
The guy beat the snot out

This is wrong because, as shown here (0:50)
YouTube video
Quinn withstood the fight easily. He wasn't even bleeding or bruised, and he was even vigorous, needing to be held back. I see no snot lost there

Originally posted by quanchi112
The guy beat the snot out of an alpha male

Quinn was most definitely not an "alpha male" in terms of physical capabilities. His entire community was malnourished. Quinn does not even begin to represent the highest of human capability, so to say that because Zan gained the upper-hand in a fight with him, Zan is at the peak of human capability is in fact

Originally posted by Lestov16
Wrong

To put this in perspective, let's say one of Soc's from The Outsiders beats up Steve Urkel. Just because he gained the upper-hand in that fight, against some one far weaker than him, does not all of the sudden mean he has the fighting skills to take on, say, Jason Bourne

Originally posted by Lestov16
What I mean is:

This is wrong because, as shown here (0:50)
YouTube video
Quinn withstood the fight easily. He wasn't even bleeding or bruised, and he was even vigorous, needing to be held back. I see no snot lost there

Quinn was most definitely not an "alpha male" in terms of physical capabilities. His entire community was malnourished. Quinn does not even begin to represent the highest of human capability, so to say that because Zan gained the upper-hand in a fight with him, Zan is at the peak of human capability is in fact

To put this in perspective, let's say one of Soc's from The Outsiders beats up Steve Urkel. Just because he gained the upper-hand in that fight, against some one far weaker than him, does not all of the sudden mean he has the fighting skills to take on, say, Jason Bourne

Quinn was spared because other men knew Zan would not finish until death that's the kind of man he is unlike weaksauce McClane.

Look at Quinn's physique he was definitely not malnourished. Not by a long shot, kiddo.

McClane is the one who doesn't finish til death...in theory. (Weve never seen him killed, unlike pussy ass Van Zan.)

And Van Zan finished way before death against Quinn. He couldn't damage him with his hardest shots.

What a wussy, shit-his-pants little feeb.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was beaten up not to the point of death or what not but still beaten all the same.

Joan Crawford(Faye Dunaway) managed to do more damage to a little girl with a wire-hanger in Mommie Dearest than Van Zan did with his fist and all the strength he could muster.

Joan Crawford + Wire-Hanger > Van Zan, going by screen feats. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane is the one who doesn't finish til death...in theory. (Weve never seen him killed, unlike pussy ass Van Zan.)

And Van Zan finished way before death against Quinn. He couldn't damage him with his hardest shots.

What a wussy, shit-his-pants little feeb.

Originally posted by Robtard
Joan Crawford(Faye Dunaway) managed to do more damage to a little girl with a wire-hanger in Mommie Dearest than Van Zan did with his fist and all the strength he could muster.

Joan Crawford + Wire-Hanger > Van Zan, going by screen feats. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Its logic nonetheless that McClane endures Van Zan's girly slaps steams on through and beats the piss out of Van Zan, killing him.

Screen feats attest to this likelihood too.

Originally posted by quanchi112

See how can I expect to argue with a man who thinks mommy dearest beats Zan. She'd have a better shot against McClane since women kick the snot out of him. Hopefully she turns around so he can rip her hair out.

And I know I can't expect a reply that adheres to movie-feats, but just Zanboyism. Your boy has cotton-swabs for fist, just accept it, his inability to damage is right in that posted scene.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its logic nonetheless that McClane endures Van Zan's girly slaps steams on through and beats the piss out of Van Zan, killing him.

Screen feats attest to this likelihood too.

Originally posted by Robtard
And I know I can't expect a reply that adheres to movie-feats, but just Zanboyism. Your boy has cotton-swabs for fist, just accept it, his inability to damage is right in that posted scene.

Originally posted by quanchi112

I am arguing based off in character tendencies. You aren't hence the reason you're a fanboy.

Now that's funny. Zan Van's "character tendency" is to not be able to really damage his opponent with his fist or head. So you're clearly just Zanboying here still.

McClane's tendencies are to obliterate everything that gets in the way of his objective and to be able to withstand damage that would turn other men into greasy red smears. Four films worth of these "tendencies."

Originally posted by Robtard
Now that's funny. Zan Van's "character tendency" is to not be able to really damage his opponent with his fist or head. So you're clearly just Zanboying here still.

McClane's tendencies are to obliterate everything that gets in the way of his objective and to be able to withstand damage that would turn other men into greasy red smears. Four films worth of these "tendencies."

McClane tends to survive in die hard films but this isn't a die hard film. The dragon killer is going to teabag McClane.

Not likely. Odds are way against Vag Zan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look at Quinn's physique he was definitely not malnourished. Not by a long shot, kiddo.

I don't think anybody has stated that Zan was malnorished. Just pretty much everybody else in the film. Including Quinn.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Stated he wouldn't have stopped until his opponent is dead. Sorry but that's straight from the movie it's time to quit being biased.

McClane tends to survive in die hard films but this isn't a die hard film. The dragon killer is going to teabag McClane.

That was a woman not in the fight saying it and you're still ignoring that at the rate Van Zan was damaging Quinn with his cream-puff punches, Van Zan would have needed hours or days to kill Quinn. Actual-feats > some nonsense that someone said in passing. So keep Vanboying, it's all you have.

WTF? He flat-out survives. Correct, it's some neutral street and Van Zan is a lesser opponent than McClane has faced before with just about zero fighting-feats of worth under his 0-0-1 fight record, ergo McClane wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Stated he wouldn't have stopped until his opponent is dead. Sorry but that's straight from the movie it's time to quit being biased.

So if a woman fights and kicks ass, it doesn't count because she has 2 X chromosomes and is thus clearly the inferior gender, to the point of being a humiliation if she actually wins, but if a woman makes an offhand remark that

a) She has no expertise in
b) contradicted the clear physical effects as, based off of the damage Quinn sustained, would NOT have killed him had the fight continued

then all of a sudden, her word is irrefutable gospel?

I smell a dandy of a contradiction here.......

Originally posted by Lestov16
So if a woman fights and kicks ass, it doesn't count because she has 2 X chromosomes and is thus clearly the inferior gender, to the point of being a humiliation if she actually wins, but if a woman makes an offhand remark that

a) She has no expertise in
b) contradicted the clear physical effects as, based off of the damage Quinn sustained, would NOT have killed him had the fight continued

then all of a sudden, her word is irrefutable gospel?

I smell a dandy of a contradiction here.......

Quan backing himself into a corner here.

You mean 'backed himself further back into the same corner he had been in from page 1'...

Page I: Obvious win for McClane

Page XXI: Still an obvious win for McClane

I was going to close this thread, but I just don't have the heart to do so.

I think it's adorable seeing Rob and Quan bond like so. <3

Bonding = Massive repeated fistraping of an opposing argument?

'Cause if so, then yeah Robtard bonded him up pretty good.

😛

... This thread still exists?

It would seem so... as tattered, torn and dripping with bodily fluids as it is...