Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

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quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not likely. Odds are way against Vag Zan.
Zan would save you from a dragon so show the fictional man some respect.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I don't think anybody has stated that Zan was malnorished. Just pretty much everybody else in the film. Including Quinn.
Quinn's physique is awesome to call him malnourished is silly.

Originally posted by Robtard
That was a woman not in the fight saying it and you're still ignoring that at the rate Van Zan was damaging Quinn with his cream-puff punches, Van Zan would have needed hours or days to kill Quinn. Actual-feats > some nonsense that someone said in passing. So keep Vanboying, it's all you have.

WTF? He flat-out survives. Correct, it's some neutral street and Van Zan is a lesser opponent than McClane has faced before with just about zero fighting-feats of worth under his 0-0-1 fight record, ergo McClane wins.

Zan was winning while McClane was losing until she turned around. Facts. I guess losing to a woman until her attention is lost is a highlight in your eyes.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So if a woman fights and kicks ass, it doesn't count because she has 2 X chromosomes and is thus clearly the inferior gender, to the point of being a humiliation if she actually wins, but if a woman makes an offhand remark that

a) She has no expertise in
b) contradicted the clear physical effects as, based off of the damage Quinn sustained, would NOT have killed him had the fight continued

then all of a sudden, her word is irrefutable gospel?

I smell a dandy of a contradiction here.......

It was the manner in how easily she disarmed and beat him. He had the advantage and not only lost it easily but also got dominated in hand to hand combat till she turned away to walk away from him. He attacked her from behind like a true coward.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

McClane kills buildings, blocks of top marines, highly trained mercs, Helicopters, trucks, cars, vtol jets... Dragons would most likely be just another hungover-day-at-the-office for McClane.

And the best bit is at least with McClane you'd see at least 4 sequels too.

And that Ninjachick lost to McClane twice.
(1 McKO, 1 McKilled-through-exploratory-anal-surgery-involving-someone's-family-car-as-a-probe.)

She'd have raped and kiled Van Zan, who had no training at all and couldnt fight.

Pretending otherwise is silly and vaguely trollish.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane kills buildings, blocks of top marines, highly trained mercs, Helicopters, trucks, cars, vtol jets... Dragons would most likely be just another hungover-day-at-the-office for McClane.

And the best bit is at least with McClane you'd see at least 4 sequels too.

And that Ninjachick lost to McClane twice.
(1 McKO, 1 McKilled-through-exploratory-anal-surgery-involving-someone's-family-car-as-a-probe.)

She'd have raped and kiled Van Zan, who had no training at all and couldnt fight.

Pretending otherwise is silly and vaguely trollish.

He kills them due to being the hero who has to survive because he's the heart of this franchise and through pis such as foes walking away.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Downplaying will not work either.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Downplaying will not work either.
You've tried and failed at downplaying the dragon killer Zan. Happy to hear you won't try to undermine him any further.

Blacktoothgrin Junior Member

Actually, as much as McClane usually seems to get beatin up during most of his fights H2H, he has the resilience to come back and defeat anyone that stands in his way. Well maybe anyone except Col. Stuart. But I really dont think much of Van Zan tbh. Never showed enough to be skilled H2H like McClane. Sorry, one scene that he gave a guy a bustin lip doesnt cut it, imo.

McClane 9/10

Lestov16 CTU Field Agent
Originally posted by Blacktoothgrin
Sorry, one scene that he gave a guy a bustin lip doesnt cut it, imo.

A lip bustin which was the result of five punches to the face and a headbutt. It took that much to bust his lip. And McClane is WAYYYYYY higher on the durability scale than Quinn. Rob and Sadako can say what they wish about Zan. I think he's pretty badass, but his feats do not support him here. Not in the slightest

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode
Originally posted by quanchi112
You've tried and failed at downplaying the dragon killer Zan. Happy to hear you won't try to undermine him any further.

LOL

Watch the fight scene in reign of fire again.

You'll enjoy seeing the state of Van Zan's mouth after only two shots from Quinn. Whats he gonna do? Bleed on McClane?.

You'll also, with your new open eyes configuration, see that for all of Van Zan's grunting, growling and fail machoism, he actually is slow, untechnical and textbook/predictable in his attacks, and whilst normally you could forgive that from a big Foremanesque powerhouse that gets results, Van Zan got no results.
His opponent was less damaged than he, and continued to make Van Zan his b!tch with the post-fight threats of killing him and generally making him look like the ineffective poser little girl he is.

McClane would kill him hangover or no hangover.

Riot-Gear Senior Member

The problem with this thread is that we see all of one brief scuffle from Van Zan. A brief scuffle in which he didn't seem to want to fight, nor try very hard in. If you watch he spends most of it trying to talk Quinn down and giving him free shots. He didn't want to hurt Quinn, he wanted him to join him.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Judging by all the ape/retarded batman voiced noises, throwing himself so hard into every shot etc etc Van Zan was still doing all he could. The headbutts further alluded to that.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
The problem with this thread is that we see all of one brief scuffle from Van Zan. A brief scuffle in which he didn't seem to want to fight, nor try very hard in. If you watch he spends most of it trying to talk Quinn down and giving him free shots. He didn't want to hurt Quinn, he wanted him to join him.

Watch the fight again, Van Zan tried his best to obliterate Quinn, you can see him lay into Quinn with extreme intent to harm; Van Zan simply couldn't despite his brawn, bad-boy tattoos and poser-man flexing.

Granted he'd probably be the toughest guy at any given backyard Sunday barbeque, until McClane (or anyone with a better fight-record than 0-0-1) crashes it that is.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
LOL

Watch the fight scene in reign of fire again.

You'll enjoy seeing the state of Van Zan's mouth after only two shots from Quinn. Whats he gonna do? Bleed on McClane?.

You'll also, with your new open eyes configuration, see that for all of Van Zan's grunting, growling and fail machoism, he actually is slow, untechnical and textbook/predictable in his attacks, and whilst normally you could forgive that from a big Foremanesque powerhouse that gets results, Van Zan got no results.
His opponent was less damaged than he, and continued to make Van Zan his b!tch with the post-fight threats of killing him and generally making him look like the ineffective poser little girl he is.

McClane would kill him hangover or no hangover.

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
The problem with this thread is that we see all of one brief scuffle from Van Zan. A brief scuffle in which he didn't seem to want to fight, nor try very hard in. If you watch he spends most of it trying to talk Quinn down and giving him free shots. He didn't want to hurt Quinn, he wanted him to join him.
Atta boy you shove this right back into the Zan haters faces. They downplay the man because they know he defeats McClane.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

Downplay? You actually said that? LOLZ
You continually downwardly misrepresent McClane, at the same time over amping Van Zan to fan-fantasy levels...!!!
Screen feats, baby.

Its not so much hate of Van Zan as righteous disbelief at your claim: due to Van Zan not registering on any level of notable fighting/surviving-a-single-movie ability.
Thats what makes it laughable that you put him up against someone of McClanian caliber.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Downplay? You actually said that? LOLZ
You continually downwardly misrepresent McClane, at the same time over amping Van Zan to fan-fantasy levels...!!!
Screen feats, baby.

Its not so much hate of Van Zan as righteous disbelief at your claim: due to Van Zan not registering on any level of notable fighting/surviving-a-single-movie ability.
Thats what makes it laughable that you put him up against someone of McClanian caliber.

I am reciting facts when I say the woman had him dead to rights until she turned around to walk away. That isn't downplaying that's giving the play by play. Zan wins.

Riot-Gear Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
Watch the fight again, Van Zan tried his best to obliterate Quinn, you can see him lay into Quinn with extreme intent to harm; Van Zan simply couldn't despite his brawn, bad-boy tattoos and poser-man flexing.

Granted he'd probably be the toughest guy at any given backyard Sunday barbeque, until McClane (or anyone with a better fight-record than 0-0-1) crashes it that is.

Even after Quinn attacks him. Van Zan tries to talk Quinn out of it saying "get out of my way Quinn". He also gets up at least once after having Quinn in a perfect ground and pound position and simply tosses him aside. Then when the fight is broken up and Quinn is threatening to kill him. Van Zan is happy about it, he wanted Quinns inner rage to come out. He didn't want him maimed, he wanted his help.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Even after Quinn attacks him. Van Zan tries to talk Quinn out of it saying "get out of my way Quinn". He also gets up at least once after having Quinn in a perfect ground and pound position and simply tosses him aside. Then when the fight is broken up and Quinn is threatening to kill him. Van Zan is happy about it, he wanted Quinns inner rage to come out. He didn't want him maimed, he wanted his help.
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Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am reciting facts when I say the woman had him dead to rights until she turned around to walk away. That isn't downplaying that's giving the play by play. Zan wins.

Don't be silly.
She couldn't kill him or seriously damage him.
(Bit like Van Zan couldn't really damage Quinn, despite all that huffing and puffing, and grunting)

And he bested her in combat, and buried her ass in that liftshaft= he killed her= he won= you are downplaying..

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Don't be silly.
She couldn't kill him or seriously damage him.
(Bit like Van Zan couldn't really damage Quinn, despite all that huffing and puffing, and grunting)

And he bested her in combat, and buried her ass in that liftshaft= he killed her= he won= you are downplaying..

She did seriously damage him after disarming him. He's the hero so he's going to live through it just like Harry Potter lives through the movies but no one is going to argue on his own without aid of any kind he's beating either Voldemort or Dumbledore. You seem unable to make the connection and think survival means superiority.

Sadako of Girth Extreme Mode

No. She didn't seriously damage him.

No there are lots of movies where the hero dies. You're misrepresenting.

And no its not a lack of ability, just the connection isn't there to be gotten.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
No. She didn't seriously damage him.

No there are lots of movies where the hero dies. You're misrepresenting.

And no its not a lack of ability, just the connection isn't there to be gotten.

There are more movies where the hero doesn't die. This is a reality based film. Sure there are insane things which take place in the movie but it isn't supernatural to the point he can come back to life or anything like Harry Potter did against Voldemort.

When he's at her mercy and she walks away that's when he gets back into the fight. In a vs. forum we don't have characters walking away because they are interested in something else they have one purpose which is to win and they fight within character.