Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Started by Sadako of Girth112 pages
Originally posted by Robtard
Lihn is faster, hits harder, more skilled at H2H and tougher than Van Zan by film feats. She's more "alpha male" than Van Zan, who's really nothing more than a throwaway secondary hero/chump.

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Damn sure Van Zan would have put up a better fight against Lihn than McClane did.

Well that empty, unfounded, deeply illogical, non-screenfeat-evidence based statement says more about you and your butthurt than anything. 🙂

😆 What a profoundly detailed description of all of your posts, Saddie.

But yeah, Van Zan would have put a up a much better fight, obviously. He definitely wouldn't be so weak as to have to retaliate with a phucking van 😂

Originally posted by Lestov16
😆 What a profoundly detailed description of all of your posts, Saddie.

But yeah, Van Zan would have put a up a much better fight, obviously. He definitely wouldn't be so weak as to have to retaliate with [b]a phucking van 😂 [/B]

Van Zan barely damaged a normal guy with a headbutt and 5-6 punches with his weight behind and having an elevated position, which feats in RoF make you believe he could harm Lihn (who tanked a truck), let alone hit her to begin with?

Originally posted by Lestov16
😆 What a profoundly detailed description of all of your posts, Saddie.

But yeah, Van Zan would have put a up a much better fight, obviously. He definitely wouldn't be so weak as to have to retaliate with [b]a phucking van 😂 [/B]

Incorrect again.

Better check that saline drip man, all that wanking and crying all the time is gonna be getting dangerous for you...death by dehydration.

He didn't have to, O butthurtragey one... He chose to as it was an obvious matter of expediency.
With her entertainingly disposed of in such an audience pleasing fashion, he found it easier to get back to saving the eastern seaboard from meltdown.
It was basically like a big flyswatter with wheels, fly swatted: Back to work...

That's bullshit. He had to hit her with a car because he was too weak to trade a few punches with her. Van Zan would have put up a much better fight.

Also, he didn't stop the Eastern Seaboard shutdown (and even if, that would have been Farrell who stopped it, with McClane just acting as a bodyguard), so IDK WTF film you were watching.

Nope. Not bullshit. You just think that because rage has closed down your critical faculties and capacity for rational thought.

He did. By proxy. If Farrell was killed he couldn't prevent it.

LOL Troll all you want, Saddieboy. The fact that McClane is such a punk that he can't even trade a few punches and has to retaliate with a car, and the fact that Van Zan would have posed a much bigger threat than McClane did, is indisputable. Sorry, snookums, but screenfeats prove McClane is a chump in H2H. You can't deny it. I'm a phucking rider....

So he was Farrell's bodyguard? 😆 Of course. That makes McClane really pathetic considering Farrell had to save his life 😂

Why SHOULD he have?
All that would have happened would have been

*Russian gangsta dude tries something against McClane which could have been anything from punching him, kicking him full on, ranging through to pulling a gun on him, and a second or two later he'd be pavement pizza.*
He already started the fight by hitting McClane with his car (note the lack of effect on the 55-60 year old man) and failing to kill him, so fair play to McClane, for the righteous retaliation.

Also when you watch the movie (I won't spoil the context openly here) you see that McClane didn't have time to feck around.

Spoiler:
He messed up most of a city highway system in a hurry to save his son from top level Russian intelligence bods out to kill his son... They chased Jack McClane and his ally who were in a truck with a 25 tonne armoured APC/tank, and McClane shredded Moscow's road travelling populous with a range rover weighing 3-5 tonnes and chased down the APC and rammed the 25 tonner of the road, rescuing Jack but utterly fecking Moscow in the ass!!!!!!WTF!!!!! Physics mean nothing to McClane anymore lol

When did Farrell save his life...? And was it AFTER McClane had saved his already lots of times? Almost certainly, if it indeed occurred at all, that is...

So he cheapshotted a bystander and has good road rage. None of that translates into a win here

Originally posted by Lestov16
That's bullshit. He had to hit her with a car because he was too weak to trade a few punches with her. Van Zan would have put up a much better fight.

McClane KO'd her. This has been explained to you over and over and the scene has been posted; I even did screen caps for you.

Try again?

He KOed her after blatantly cheapshotting her due to her being a retard 😆 And she still got back up and beat his ass, so he did need to retaliate because he was so weak. Why not KO her a second time, if it was so easy?

Try again?

Originally posted by Lestov16
He KOed her [b]after blatantly cheapshotting her due to her being a retard 😆 And she still got back up and beat his ass, so he did need to retaliate because he was so weak. Why not KO her a second time, if it was so easy?

Try again? [/B]

Non sequitur, you claimed McClane couldn't "trade punches", he clearly did, considering he actually KO'd her.

Repeat: After his mercy, he was BFR'd. Getting into a truck was the fastest way back to save Farrell.

No need, the first post slapped you silly.

He didn't trade punches. He cheapshotted her and attacked her from behind.

Well isn't that something 😆. If he's so good in H2H, why was he BFR? Even if she got back up, he should have had the advantage because she was unconscious, but she still pwned his ass.

You failed. Van beats McClane because McChump can't win a fight he doesn't cheapshot in 😂

Because she was much faster and had better H2H skills than McClane; she was clearly highly trained.

She had to BFR him or risk getting KO'd again by the unstoppable McClane.

LoL. no. BTW, Quinn definitely cheap shotted Van Zan, so even going by your ignorant version of DH5 (watch it; then comment), McClane "cheap shots" Van Zan and floors him. That would still be a win. Cry more.

Also because McClane is lowly trained in H2H. Don't overhype his stats, now 😂

"risk getting KOed" 😆 She was in no risk of anything. She clearly dominated every aspect of the match except when he cheapshotted her

So now you finally admit McClane will have to cheapshot Van Zan to win here 😂 Quinn only cheapshotted him because Van Zan was looking to the crowd for conscripts. That obviously won't be happening here.

Match starts and they're face to face. McClane can't cheapshot, which means he can't touch Zan, since cheapshots are the only way McClane can ever get an advantage in his H2H fights, even in his newest film, where he should have had farr better H2H feats than he reportedly does

Van pwns McClane, because McClane won't touch him /thread

McClane's a basic fighter, no fancy moves. No one's said he's some H2H master.

Except of course when he manhandled her and KO'd her ass.

LoL, another strawman. I did not "admit" anything. I said even going by your ignorant take of DH5, McClane wins as we know he can KO a man in one hit and Van Zan falls for "cheap shots", as seen. Van Zan even loses under your own rules.

Fight starts and McClane can win by standing still and waiting until Van Zan exhaust himself, which going by his paltry RoF feats, is under 2 minutes. Watch DH5, ignorant ass.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
A) She ambushed him too. So no worries there: It was a fight after all.

B) Cause she actually could fight, unlike Van Zan, and if it had not been someone with McDamage soak, shes could have really hurt them...She'd have KILLED Van Zan.. There. Proved.

C) Square on. Watch the scene. She tanked it, T800 style..

D) Well thats every argument you've ever made here withdrawn then, right...? Ethered? lol Her KO'd her, and she failed to KO him...

E) But look who was 'fighting' him.. Look at and listen to that McClane shot in DH 5, and indeed in the rest of the movies. Hear the massive impact?
Good. Now look at and listen to those weak little slowass slaps going on in Reign of Fire.. NO comparison. Van Zan is weak as chips.

Incorrect. You keep using 'Alpha' in wrong context...IE you use it to describe Mary Van Zan, post-apocalyptic deliverer of really slow little girlslaps.

McClane is about as alpha as it gets.

He had a gun on her. She didn't ambush him at all, liar.

So can Zan. Zan no sold quin''s best punches. McClane was decimated by a mere female.

She wasn't superhuman nor are people who survive wrecks or being hit. Luck, kiddo.

Due to her turning her back. Context. Don't run from it, Sadie.

I didn't see the shitty movie yet so wait until I do.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lihn is faster, hits harder, more skilled at H2H and tougher than Van Zan by film feats. She's more "alpha male" than Van Zan, who's really nothing more than a throwaway secondary hero/chump.
Not at all. She is no dragon killer. She is just a McClane beater which many have that feat to their resume in his movies.

Its true the movie isn't the greatest....not that you'd know...
You're literally trying to argue when you dont know what the feck you're talking about (as usual..)
But it sure proves you utterly utterly wrong.
As does DH4 in relation to the Ninja chick McClane KO'd then killed.

Van Zan taking a man who cannot punch's "best punches" is not a feat to be proud of..you can see and hear that both of their punches are several tiers below Holly McClane's punches.
(Holly able to knock out teeth in one shot: Both Quim and Van Zan being utterly unable to inflict damage with their best)
Holly's thundered and wasn't the tickely little, ineffective slow, weak shit they were limited too. Every McClane onscreen ever punches better than the Reign of Fire girls.

Incorrect about Ninjachick's endurance you need to watch Die hard 1,2,3,4 and especially 5 for yourself instead of just reposting what the occasional trollidiot in the past here posted.