Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane's a basic fighter, no fancy moves. No one's said he's some H2H master.

So you concede he's a poor fighter. Good start.

Originally posted by Robtard
Except of course when he manhandled her and KO'd her ass.

Due to cheapshotting her? 😆 Yeah

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, another strawman. I did not "admit" anything. I said even going by your ignorant take of DH5, McClane wins as we know he can KO a man in one hit and Van Zan falls for "cheap shots", as seen. Van Zan even loses under your own rules.

Van Zan was addressing a crowd, Lihn was just a retard, and the car driver from your clip couldn't even understand McClane's language. McClane wouldn't win with a cheapshot because he only gets allowed those situations when people are being retards, and Zan only gets hit when he's addressing crowds (which he isn't here). McClane would attempt a cheapshot, miss, and be put down hard. McClane loses.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fight starts and McClane can win by standing still and waiting until Van Zan exhaust himself, which going by his paltry RoF feats, is under 2 minutes. Watch DH5, ignorant ass.

The fight was interrupted due to interference. You downplay Quinn as some weak malnourished bytch (hilariously, you do this based off of some ignorant shit I said 😆 ) when he was shown to be well built and spend his time mining stones with a pickaxe. That's why he was so durable. Van Zan only got to lay into his face for about 4 seconds before, as stated, the fight was interrupted. No interruptions here, so the face-beating will be far much longer, as long as it needs to be. McClane's won't be doing anything about it as you have already conceded he's a poor H2H combatant and Van Zan, a soldier obviously has better H2H feats, even based on the short fight we saw.
You can downplay Van Zan all you want. The proof is undeniable. Zan wins.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its true the movie isn't the greatest....not that you'd know...
You're literally trying to argue when you dont know what the feck you're talking about (as usual..)
But it sure proves you utterly utterly wrong.

Not if McClane's only KO in the film was cheapshotting a random bystander 😆

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As does DH4 in relation to the Ninja chick McClane KO'd then killed.

😂 You overhyping bastard. He only KOed her due to cheapshot (due to her being a retard)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Van Zan taking a man who cannot punch's "best punches" is not a feat to be proud of..you can see and hear that both of their punches are several tiers below Holly McClane's punches.

Holly's thundered and wasn't the tickely little, ineffective slow, weak shit they were limited too. Every McClane onscreen ever punches better than the Reign of Fire girls.

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
(Holly able to knock out teeth in one shot: Both Quim and Van Zan being utterly unable to inflict damage with their best)

LOL Quinn is far more durable than a newsreporter and a random bystander. McClane only managed to KO Lihn after cheapshotting her and then slamming her against every surface of the room (note McClane's sissy punches couldn't even keep her down, which is why he had to slam her against a shelf ) and even then she got back up and kicked his ass. It also says something horrible about McClane's reflexes when she effortlessly disarms and beats the manshit out of him while he was looking directly at her as she ambushed him 😆 ). So the McClane's only two effective punches were on a newsreporter and a random bystander. That's pretty damn weak.

You forget during that fight that Quinn (who is already well built and strong due to mining stones with a pickaxe daily, which in normal mode makes him more durable than a newsreporter and a bystander) was hopped up on adrenaline during that fight. He was clearly fueled with anger than Zan was going to attempt to inadvertently destroy the village by leading the dragons back there. He was in rage mode, and obviously his durability and pain tolerance was increased to a level that Zan couldn't put down with the limited 2 minute fight they had

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Incorrect about Ninjachick's endurance you need to watch Die hard 1,2,3,4 and especially 5 for yourself instead of just reposting what the occasional trollidiot in the past here posted.

You need you either go back under your troll bridge or start using logic and common sense and realize than McChump is a bytch in H2H. Since you're so incorrect about McClane's H2H skill, you need to watch Die hard 1,2,3,4 and especially 5 for yourself instead of being a biased trollidiot who can't discern what the phrase "Hand to Hand combat" means 😆

Ah so you ragily and tearily confess that you have nothing and are fanwanking contrary to all existing and accepted facts.

Basic yet effective is still effective.

The guys who hit like little girls that you root for are basic too, but they utterly lack the effective bit.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its true the movie isn't the greatest....not that you'd know...
You're literally trying to argue when you dont know what the feck you're talking about (as usual..)
But it sure proves you utterly utterly wrong.
As does DH4 in relation to the Ninja chick McClane KO'd then killed.

Van Zan taking a man who cannot punch's "best punches" is not a feat to be proud of..you can see and hear that both of their punches are several tiers below Holly McClane's punches.
(Holly able to knock out teeth in one shot: Both Quim and Van Zan being utterly unable to inflict damage with their best)
Holly's thundered and wasn't the tickely little, ineffective slow, weak shit they were limited too. Every McClane onscreen ever punches better than the Reign of Fire girls.

Incorrect about Ninjachick's endurance you need to watch Die hard 1,2,3,4 and especially 5 for yourself instead of just reposting what the occasional trollidiot in the past here posted.

Zan was pulled off before he killed him. This was stated in the movie.

I know about his endurance. He gets his ass kicked and they either turn around or he finds some weapon and kills them. Ain't happening here.

I know about context, just that it doesn't apply here.
Certainly not in the way you mean to insinuate.

About 821 years before she killed Quim, judging by the slow, weak, damageless punching see Van Zan using..

I was speaking of Ninjachick's endurance.
I know you basically meant to call McClane "ninjachick" (very very clever 🙄 ) but whatever despite her T800 like endurance as shown by her being unfazed by the the car impact she was still KO'd by McClane who punches really fast now and his punches have the kind of impact that sound like someone flying a cart of bricks into a cow.

Van Zan is not even in the same town, county of even galaxy as McClane and stands zero chance when you/Liz see DH5 you'll see why you attempting to argue otherwise makes you look mentally disadvantaged and why you're rightfully laughed at (not with )here.

So, Denton Van Zan only had one fight right?

A fight where he didn't KO his opponent? By Quan standards, doesn't that mean that the fight was inconclusive and not a victory for Zan?

Not only that but his opponent was unharmed and left able to scream "I'll kill yaaaaaaaa I'll kill yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....!!!"
(Because of the utter lack of damage to his mouth/jaw/head/body despite weak, slow poser Van Zan having hit him 5-6 times and headbutting him as hard as he could)

Indeed. Hypocrisy and or total unawareness be his middle name.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So, Denton Van Zan only had one fight right?

A fight where he didn't KO his opponent? By Quan standards, doesn't that mean that the fight was inconclusive and not a victory for Zan?

One fight and a spectacular jump into a dragon's mouth.

And even the term "fight" can only be used loosely.

McClane would have survived Reign of fire too.. by building descent feats in DH5 (And in possibly also DH1 roof/firehose and elevator shaft drop/ledge catching-without-tearing-his-fingers, hands, or arms off- feats).

At the end of Reign of fire, when Van Zan's lack of man stuff decree'd that she commit rage suicide pointlessly,
McClane could have easily jumped down through hooped ladder and after like 20-30 ft or so grabbed the ladder hoops... thusly surviving outwitting the dragon as it is forced to fly on, turn in it's flying circle whilst recovering from smashing through maybe the first top few feet of the smoke stack, allowing himself to time repeat the same drop then grab tactic a couple of times to reach the bottom safely.

But noooooooo. Van Zan had to go steaming in overcompensating for her lack of manliness/adaptation-improvisation skills in a pointless throwaway suicide that didn't help her teammates any, whereas that freefall through the ladder/grab, drop/catch the rungs, redrop and make it to ground level strategy would have further distracted the dragon who by this time would have been butthurt enough to stay chasing her, providing Quim with enough time to arrow snipe the dragon whilst it stalked lady Zan.

Thusly, whilst Van Zan was a empty poser with no punching/fighting skills/ability, she was never going to win any awards for being a strategic military mind either.

But never mind.. I mean: how smart does a dragon really require it's future poop to be anyway? And in that respect Van Zan did her job well.

Van Zan totally wouldn't have made it even out of the 1st DH movie, lacking these smarts or the McClaneic attributes or endurance, or ability to do well alone against the odds...
Utter irrevocable McWinnage.

Too bad none of that translates into a H2H win. McLoss 😂

But no guy having instant KO ability with thunderous and fast shots, and being unkillable/unKOable, versus a guy with punches that do ZERO damage sound and look like slow slappy seem-em-coming-amile-away punches/headbutts that leave their opponent 100% fighting fit after free wailing away time, and who is killable and has no endurance feats even remotely comparable to his opponent here is doomed.

Therefore you're still talking out of your bottom and McClane obviously wins.

Instant KO who? A bystander? 😂

Nah a guy half his age and bigger than him who had just rammed him with his car...

A bystander (just cause you seem to be unaware) is someone who is not involved in anyway.

You'll understand this one day when you engage your brain cell.
And on top of this: Even if he was just a 'bystander' as you thoroughly and incorrectly make him out to be, that was STILL a left hook that Van Zan couldn't take, respond to in time because of his slowness, and need to grunt/pose at all times, either defensively (we all saw his defence was way worse than McClane's) or offensively (which wouldn't do Van Zan any good anyways as he cannot punch, cannot counter due to lack of speed again, and stands absolutely zero chance of doing any damage whatsoever to McClane due to Van Zan's lack of power AND McClane's now ridiculous levels of damage soak.)

Your 'argument' is in total and complete smithereenery. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So, Denton Van Zan only had one fight right?

A fight where he didn't KO his opponent? By Quan standards, doesn't that mean that the fight was inconclusive and not a victory for Zan?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I know about context, just that it doesn't apply here.
Certainly not in the way you mean to insinuate.

About 821 years before she killed Quim, judging by the slow, weak, damageless punching see Van Zan using..

I was speaking of Ninjachick's endurance.
I know you basically meant to call McClane "ninjachick" (very very clever 🙄 ) but whatever despite her T800 like endurance as shown by her being unfazed by the the car impact she was still KO'd by McClane who punches really fast now and his punches have the kind of impact that sound like someone flying a cart of bricks into a cow.

Van Zan is not even in the same town, county of even galaxy as McClane and stands zero chance when you/Liz see DH5 you'll see why you attempting to argue otherwise makes you look mentally disadvantaged and why you're rightfully laughed at (not with )here.

Uh oh! Watch out everyone. McClane can cheapshot Bambi! What Herculean strength! 😆

Originally posted by Lestov16
Uh oh! Watch out everyone. McClane can cheapshot Bambi! What Herculean strength! 😆

I bet sadako would strike a girl when she turned around like his hero.

Originally posted by quanchi112
McClane cannot be viewed as an alpha male after she got through with him and disrespected him on all levels. I mean the guy held a weapon on her and she still beat his ass. She turned her back effectively castrating his movie balls. Zan laughs off alpha males punches while McClane can't even beat a woman in a fair fight.

Quan, Saddie's a trolling idiot who thinks McClane cheapshotting a bystander means he has the H2H skill to take on Frank Martin. Trying to introduce logic into Saddie's 1/∞ brain cell is like trying to flick a lighter in the Mariana Trench.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They cannot escape that scene no matter how hard they try. To get smoked by a woman you had a gun on in your own movie and then for her to just ignore you like that. Epic failure. McClane is such a girly man. 😂

I bet sadako would strike a girl when she turned around like his hero.

It's even worse than that. He was in back of her and thus had a massive advantage on her, and she still disarmed and kicked his ass. Any pansy-KO McClane did (and is was pansy, considering she got back up and kicked his ass about 20 seconds after, again while he was looking right at her) was due to him cheapshotting her, and advantage he only got because Lihn was an utter retard. So McClane got his ass kicked by a moron whom he had at his complete mercy 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
They pulled him off. In the Odin fight Odin chose not to continue. Circumstances. Look up the meaning of the word and have your mother comprehend it and get back to me after your brother beats your ass.

The only one 'pulling anybody off (Van Zan) round here is you.

You have nothing left and now you're just emptily raging away at people.