Lestov, if you will:
Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, more dodgy dancing. But those were pointed out several times now and you decided they don't count under your own set of rules.So applying those same 'fight rules' you apply to McClane, which "H2H wins" does Van Zan have under his belt? How do his opponents compare to McClane's? Strength, speed, skill, durability etc.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
No overhyping required.Screenfeats show it all.
(You on the otherhand keep 'underhyping', judging only by the most 'negative'/lesser feats and sayign thats the best McClane did.. Not very scientific. And it shows the butthurt bias within you. I know you have a thing about feeling you have to have large amounts of posts, and see it as a way to dominate somehow, but filling them with empty idiocy isn't the way to go. Remember: Quality over quantity.)He got legit wins, causing you to dance, cry and wank further. You've not seen one of the movies you claim knowledge on. Therefore your opinion means nothing whatsoever. Wasnt an utter asskicking. And utter asskicking is when no shots are returned. McClane damaged Stuart. And Stuart would have killed Van Zan in about 2 seconds.
Either way you look at all of this:
McClane beats Van Zan, cause he has H2H wins some in one punch, and Van Zan couldn't even win against someone who was malnourished, with all his best shots.
McClane wins, whatever ill informed crying strawmannery you, a man 'debating' from a position of willful ignorance, retort with.
You can't use the "M" word
Jeeze. Quit with the malnourished crap already. This is what malnourished looks like:
Or if you want Bale, then here's him being malnourished:
Do you see the difference?
But hey, if you really want to insist that Bale and his people were malnourished, then Van Zan and his people were probably even more so. Bale's people had plantations and staple food. So if an established community with farm plantations is your description of malnourished, then what do you call Van Zan's roaming band of nomads who have no stable source of food?
Trying to prove that McClane is a good h2h fighter with his on screen feats? I can respect that. But creating a delusional belief that a very fit-looking guy is malnourished (and yet believing that Van Zan who lives in the same world somehow is completely healthy) simply to give Van Zan a handicap? That reeks of either stupidity or desperation.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
pointing out most advanced cases of malnourishment does not negate lesser cases. its clear that they were going hungry as suggested with the splinter family who intended to run off after harvesting the crops early, which was irrational and suicidal in the long term.
Hungry does not equal malnourishment. By definition, malnourishment means you are not getting enough nutrition. Hungry on the other hand, means not eating enough to properly satisfy yourself. I could eat a salad twice daily and that's going to make me really hungry but it will be enough to nourish me. Not a single person in Bale's camp looked malnourished or even beginning to look like one. Who knows, they might have had little food just for the last 2 days. That's enough to make anyone feel starving.
Besides, even if we agreed that their people are malnourished, are you trying to tell me then that Van Zan's people on the other hand are completely healthy?
im aware that hunger does not equal malnourishment. however long term hunger can certainly lead to it. something as simple as a lack of a particular nutrient can cause it, despite plentiful food.
my point was that you seem to be using cases of impending fatality advanced malnourishment (mid-1980's starving ethiopian looking like e.t.) as the yard stick for determining malnourishment, which would be fallacious.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
im aware that hunger does not equal malnourishment. however long term hunger can certainly lead to it. something as simple as a lack of a particular nutrient can cause it, despite plentiful food.my point was that you seem to be using cases of impending fatality advanced malnourishment (mid-1980's starving ethiopian looking like e.t.) as the yard stick for determining malnourishment, which would be fallacious.
In this I agree. There really isn't a decent yardstick for determining malnourishment, unless you can get blood analysis I suppose. Point is, we cannot assume malnourishment simply because a group of Bale's people branch off and complain they are hungry. Who knows, they might have been suffering from food shortage for a whole month, or maybe they just didn't have enough to eat the last few days. They definitely couldn't have been going hungry for months though, as then you should already see a drastic change on their physical attributes. None of those chubby cheeks a lot of them seemed to have.
Granted, food shortage for even a few days would be enough to weaken you, but like we said, same can be said for Van Zan and party. If they had enough supplies then I doubt that they would have needed Bale's shelter.
Still my point is, using an expression of "I'm hungry" or "I'm starving" as a yardstick for malnutrition is about as fallacious as me showing extreme signs of malnutrition as a yardstick.
well keep in mind (not trying to be a smartass here) they are just actors.
when you consider van zan's body-builder physique it makes little sense. he doesnt have the look of someone who got strong by plowing ahead through a life of struggle, and certainly not like one who ever had to skip a meal. instead he looks like he likely has health food/dietary supplement store as well as universal gym in his tank. the tattoos dont help much either. honestly he looks like some unemployed muscle-beach douchebag.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
well keep in mind (not trying to be a smartass here) they are just actors.when you consider van zan's body-builder physique it makes little sense. he doesnt have the look of someone who got strong by plowing ahead through a life of struggle, and certainly not like one who ever had to skip a meal. instead he looks like he likely has health food/dietary supplement store as well as universal gym in his tank. the tattoos dont help much either. honestly he looks like some unemployed muscle-beach douchebag.
Well, I agree. However, Bale as well didn't look like some skinny-ass dude. Remove the dirt and grit from Bale and he's almost as muscular as Van Zan. More ripped even.
Aliens, Newt: Assessed as being in a state of borderline malnutrition by the Medtech. Didn't see her looking like a bag of bones either.
People dont skip a meal then end up as skin and bone. There are stages.
Sometimes Hollywood doesn't overdo stuff in communicating an idea...they keep things more nuanced, then people don't get it.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Aliens, Newt: Assessed as being in a state of borderline malnutrition by the Medtech. Didn't see her looking like a bag of bones either.People dont skip a meal then end up as skin and bone. There are stages.
Sometimes Hollywood doesn't overdo stuff in communicating an idea...they keep things more nuanced, then people don't get it.
The way you are presenting your argument about a malnutritioned Bale being beat up seems to suggest that Bale is very weak from malnutrition that he no longer provides a proper fight. To get malnutrition to really make you that weak, you do need to be somewhat advanced in terms of malnutrition.
Even hungry street children are extremely tough and are in better shape than majority of well fed, rich people. So to suggest that Bale was severely weakened from food deprivation, well, he'd need to look in worse condition than what we saw on screen.
In any case, for your argument of "Van Zan beating on a malnourished man" to work, we have to assume that Van Zan is a fully healthy, well-fed fella who was beating on a weakened, food-deprived man. But... Van Zan is probably just about as hungry as Bale was, even more so. So that argument is now moot.
and whey powder, weight gain powder, low fat, high protein food, etc etc. oh and lots of caffeine products obviously. and the universal gym.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Well, I agree. However, Bale as well didn't look like some skinny-ass dude. Remove the dirt and grit from Bale and he's almost as muscular as Van Zan. More ripped even.
yes he was cut. van zan was pumped.
think bruce lee vs 50 cent
Originally posted by focus4chumps
and whey powder, weight gain powder, low fat, high protein food, etc etc. oh and lots of caffeine products obviously. and the universal gym.yes he was cut. van zan was pumped.
think bruce lee vs 50 cent
No way was Bruce Lee ever that heavily muscled. You're letting Van Zan's tattoos fool you. Van Zan WAS more heavily muscled, but not that much. Compare this:
http://theranking-pro.s3.amazonaws.com/card/44755/image/RELaf727f4749d4bccd52b0d84bcd241a28/400.jpg
with this:
http://content6.flixster.com/photo/62/01/96/6201968_gal.jpg
Do you really see such a huge difference?
Besides, for Bruce Lee to have achieved his definition, he had to hit the gym hard as well had some great nutrition.
Originally posted by Robtard
No way of knowing, Van Zan and crew could have been filled up with MREs and Twinkies before they landed in England. Easier to feed a handful of people than it is a small community.
Yes, no way of knowing. But Sadako is jumping to conclusions that Bale's people were malnourished despite the fact that we have no idea what their daily food intake is. He's basing it on one person saying "there won't be a harvest next time if we starve to death".
So using that same tactic, we can pretty much assume that Van Zan and team were having similar food trouble since the dragons were supposedly burning everything in the surrounding countryside and Van Zan did mention that they burned through their supplies (which is why they needed the shelter of the castle).
So... either we start using assumptions from both sides or we don't assume anything at all. Making assumptions for Bale while disregarding assumptions for Van Zan is pure fanboyism.
