Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

You do nothing but talk out of your arse, which is impressive as its so full with your head jammed up it already.

Ninjachick tanked being hit with SUVs.
As can T800s and McClane.

Van Zan got anything like that to his name?
No.

He loses to McClane.

Loses to Ninja Chick.

Loses to DH5 John Junior (Who demonstrates ability way over Van Zan's level throughout an entire movie facing more danger than Van Zan without ragequit suiciding once)

Loses to Holly McClane. (Knocked out 2 teeth in one shot punching a guy)

Loses to Argylle. (KO'd a guy with one shot that whilst less a shot than Mcclane level punching still was better looking, sounding and effective than a Van Zan punch or even 5 of them and a headbutt)

They all have better H2H feats than Van Zan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
McClane is consistently lucky when there is a weapon around in one of his movies. This isn't a movie of his nor is there a weapon lying around.

McClane doesn't get shit done. Karl would have won DH1 had he just shot McClane in the face when he was talking to Al. Hans would have won DH1 had he not been a dumbass and just shot McClane in the face as soon as he entered the room to rescue Holly. Simon would have won DH3 had he not been a dumbass and given him the pill bottle. Gabriel would have won DH4 had he not been a dumbass and attempted to molest McClane. You can't attribute "shit getting done" to McClane when it is really McVillain PIS that "gets shit done".

Originally posted by Lestov16
I would love to agree with you quanchi, but Rob and Sadko are in the right in this case. I know Van Zan hunts dragons and all that good stuff, but none of that really correlates with a H2H fight a a human. Van Zan's never taken on a Dragon with his bare hands. Hell, didn't he need a helicopter? And when he did go head on with the dragon at the end, it simply ate him. On the other hand, McClane is not only a better fighter style-wise, but a can a massive beating, and then some, and keep going. Simply, Van Zan, for all his machsimo, doesn't have the feats to back him up in this fight. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is

👆

Too bad McClane isn't a better fighter, like that retarded posts claims.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I would love to agree with you quanchi, but Rob and Sadko are in the right in this case. I know Van Zan hunts dragons and all that good stuff, but none of that really correlates with a H2H fight a a human. Van Zan's never taken on a Dragon with his bare hands. Hell, didn't he need a helicopter? And when he did go head on with the dragon at the end, it simply ate him. On the other hand, McClane is not only a better fighter style-wise, but a can a massive beating, and then some, and keep going. Simply, Van Zan, for all his machsimo, doesn't have the feats to back him up in this fight. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is

Originally posted by Lestov16
Too bad McClane isn't a better fighter, like that retarded posts claims.

Originally posted by Lestov16
McClane doesn't get shit done. Karl would have won DH1 had he just shot McClane in the face when he was talking to Al. Hans would have won DH1 had he not been a dumbass and just shot McClane in the face as soon as he entered the room to rescue Holly. Simon would have won DH3 had he not been a dumbass and given him the pill bottle. Gabriel would have won DH4 had he not been a dumbass and attempted to molest McClane. You can't attribute "shit getting done" to McClane when it is really McVillain PIS that "gets shit done".

Originally posted by Lestov16
Too bad McClane isn't a better fighter, like that retarded posts claims.

What feat does Van have that shows greater skill or durability than McClane?

Durability, McClane has him there, but what feat does McClane have that shows greater skill than Van Zan? Sure he didn't KO Quinn, but Quinn is not some weak pushover that everybody is trying to downplay him as. Quinn definitely was tougher than the featless random bystander that McClane KOed. If I'm wrong, show me feats of this bystander hunting dragons and mining stones with a pickaxe.

Like I said, McClane has him with durability, but that's it, and durability alone is not what decides a fight. It will take Van Zan a little bit of time to KO McClane, but Mcclane will be KOed because he can't outmaneuver Van Zan, because his fight scenes in DH prove beyond a doubt that he's a poor H2H combatant. Van wins here 6.5/10. McClane gets 3.5/10 for his durability, but that's it.

So basically, you're claiming that being unable to ko Quinn is a better fight feat than McClane had in all of his 5 movies?

Yes. 👆

And true Lihn was a better fighter than Van, but it's not like she's the only person who has WTFpwned him in H2H.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yes. 👆

And true Lihn was a better fighter than Van, but it's not like she's the only person who has WTFpwned him in H2H.

So, Van not being able to beat anyone in HTH is more impressive than John beating people in HTH?

Who has John beat in H2H besides a random bystander with no feats?

he had quinn straddled and helpless with all those freebee shots and STILL couldnt knock him out. that stupid adolescent jock fight made quinn look like a role-over-play-dead sissy and van zan look like an even bigger sissy.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Who has John beat in H2H besides a random bystander with no feats?

You mean other than the guy in the elevator than he messed up with a couple headbutts, the guy he was fighting on the luggage conveyor belt, the guy whose neck he broke or the main guy in part 5?

Was the guy in the elevator done in by the headbutts or McClane shooting him? Did the guy on the conveyor belt get done in by Mcclane KOing him or his head getting crushed? Did Karl's bro get done by Mcclane doing a Bauer-snap, or did they have to fall down a flight of stairs? Did the main guy in DH5 know McClane was going to pick his cuffs and cheapshot him, and did McClane KO him ,or did he steal his gun? These aren't legit H2H wins

Originally posted by Lestov16
Was the guy in the elevator done in by the headbutts or McClane shooting him? Did the guy on the conveyor belt get done in by Mcclane KOing him or his head getting crushed? Did Karl's bro get done by Mcclane doing a Bauer-snap, or did they have to fall down a flight of stairs? Did the main guy in DH5 know McClane was going to pick his cuffs and cheapshot him, and did McClane KO him ,or did he steal his gun? These aren't legit H2H wins

He got busted up fairly well and was bleeding from the headbuts, I don't recall how it ended, but seeing as he was armed, John probably shot him...still, the fact remains that John did substantial damage with HTH.

John was winning the fight when the machinery came into play.

I'm not talking about Karl's brother, I'm talking about part 4, he broke the neck of one of the guys sent to kill the hacker.

The guy was looking right at John, it was in no way a cheapshot.

All of these are better than Van inability to damage Quinn after multiple hits.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Luck, skill, who cares? Guy gets it done. Van Zan could not KO Bale, no way is he KOing Mac.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You do nothing but talk out of your arse, which is impressive as its so full with your head jammed up it already.

Ninjachick tanked being hit with SUVs.
As can T800s and McClane.

Van Zan got anything like that to his name?
No.

He loses to McClane.

Loses to Ninja Chick.

Loses to DH5 John Junior (Who demonstrates ability way over Van Zan's level throughout an entire movie facing more danger than Van Zan without ragequit suiciding once)

Loses to Holly McClane. (Knocked out 2 teeth in one shot punching a guy)

Loses to Argylle. (KO'd a guy with one shot that whilst less a shot than Mcclane level punching still was better looking, sounding and effective than a Van Zan punch or even 5 of them and a headbutt)

They all have better H2H feats than Van Zan.

False and false.

Unknown as I haven't seen shitty die hard 5.

Insane claim. (you're butthurt so I can see why)

False.

Zan's one fight was a far greater portrayal than McClane whose average difficulty level against named characters isn't that great.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

Loses to DH5 John Junior (Who demonstrates ability way over Van Zan's level throughout an entire movie facing more danger than Van Zan without ragequit suiciding once)

how could one rage quit suicide more than once? 😖mart: