Denton Van Zan (Reign of Fire) vs. John McClane

Originally posted by Robtard
In all seriousness, McClane would arrest him and Van Zan would be bottom-boy in the local penitentiary.

Bet you he can squeal like a pig pretty well too.

Originally posted by Robtard
He can fight at least as well as Van Zan, arguably better, considering he's faced off against high-end mercenaries and not average Quinn.

Another thing, look how winded Van Zan was after throwing a few hits, his stamina is shit. So he's got average fighting skills, cotton-fist and shit stamina. That's not defeating McDurability.

Originally posted by Lestov16
That's the thing. I need to see McClane in a good H2H match. Like I said above, if McClane has sub-par fighting skills, then he will be beaten into unconsciousness because his durability will wear out eventually. If he does have the better fighting style however, added to his durability he will rock Zan's sh*t just like Zan rocked Quinn

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Indeed.

Robtard speaketh the truth.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well, how about rewatching the following movies...?

Die Hard (1988) (McClane Vs Karl)

Die Hard 2: Die Harder (1990) (McClane vs various Marines)

Die Hard with a vengence (1995) (McClane vs Lurch)

Die Hard 4.0 (2007) (McClane vs Hamster dude and Asian Chick)

Yeah, I was about to ask about that. Because I remember he fought Maggie Q and threw her down an elevator shaft, but I don't recall if the fight was somewhat even or if it was the usual "Get ass whooped until the Mc-convenient-circumstances present themselves for McClane to exploit"

Holly was a nagging, power hungry beeotch, as shown in DH1..
McClane did the smart thing developing a drink habit and getting shot of her.

Occasionally, you must endure shit from decent opponents.
Champs can, lilly punching silky boys can't.

Van Zan is lacking....very very lacking..

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah, I was about to ask about that. Because I remember he fought Maggie Q and threw her down an elevator shaft, but I don't recall if the fight was somewhat even or if it was the usual "Get ass whooped until the Mc-convenient-circumstances present themselves for McClane to exploit"

He got fed up with her "kung fu shit", knocked her ass out clean, then after she awoke from some sleep, she had another go, seizing the opportunity to strike whilst McClane was trying to save the guy he was assigned to protect and save the Eastern seaboard from meltdown.

McClane ended her life in less than a minute in an appropriately vengeful, entertaining way, then proceeded to save the eastern coast of America like a boss.

Originally posted by quanchi112
McClane would be like yes sir you can have my wife. I can't keep her anyways and tend to put myself in dangerous situations due to my inadequacies.

Zan wasn't winded he was in complete control and they needed to stop him from killing Quinn who was anything but average. The film makes this perfectly clear whereas McClane takes a beating from pretty much everyone he takes on.

They're divorced, so McClane would not give two shits. Van Zan's also probably into Asian boys of 16-19 age range, so Holly's not his type to begin with.

Look how heavy Van Zan's breathing when the fight stops, dude is doing his best to suck down air and not pass out. Getting hit is not losing the fight, you need to accept this.

McClane is also far smarter. Van Zan runs out of arrows; he retard-rages and commits suicide. Look how McClane handles his flying dangerous opponent after he runs out of ammo:

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I'm sorry quanchi, I really am, but rewatching that Die Hard 2 fight scene, I think McClane has what it takes to put Zan down.

In the same sense that a compassionate vet would put a beloved pet suffering from McConaughey-favouring disease. 😛

A act of pure kindness.

Originally posted by Robtard
They're divorced, so McClane would not give two shits. Van Zan's also probably into Asian boys of 16-19 age range, so Holly's not his type to begin with.

Look how heavy Van Zan's breathing when the fight stops, dude is doing his best to suck down air and not pass out. Getting hit is not losing the fight, you need to accept this.

McClane is also far smarter. Van Zan runs out of arrows; he retard-rages and commits suicide. Look how McClane handles his flying dangerous opponent after he runs out of ammo:

YouTube video

Breathing heavy while dominating an opponent is awesome it shows you are into it. McClane tends to get beat up a lot and zan kicks the crap out of humans. The only conclusion is Zan wins.

McClane doesn't have an automobile here it's hand to hand. LOL.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm sorry quanchi, I really am, but rewatching that Die Hard 2 fight scene, I think McClane has what it takes to put Zan down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zan wouldn't want her as she isn't hot anyways not that he thinks about anything other than slaying dragons due to him being more dedicated than McClane is.

Breathing heavy while dominating an opponent is awesome it shows you are into it. McClane tends to get beat up a lot and zan kicks the crap out of humans. The only conclusion is Zan wins.

McClane doesn't have an automobile here it's hand to hand. LOL.

Van Zan wouldn't want her cos he's busy punching Asian boys' donut holes. There were a few women on his team; a couple of them were hot; did Van Zan give them any attention? No. McClane on the other hand was married and we see him never lacking for vagina as he has had to reject women as seen in the films.

Breathing heavy after throwing 1 head-butt and 5 punches means your stamina is worse than 2012 Mohammad Ali, dude. Van Zan was doing his best not to pass out, you need to accept this.

And Van Zan doesn't have his helicopter and team. H2H, McClane dominates the cotton-fisted boy-chaser.

Originally posted by Robtard
Van Zan wouldn't want her cos he's busy punching Asian boys' donut holes. There were a few women on his team; a couple of them were hot; did Van Zan give them any attention? No. McClane on the other hand was married and we see him never lacking for vagina as he has had to reject women as seen in the films.

Breathing heavy after throwing 1 head-butt and 5 punches means your stamina is worse than 2012 Mohammad Ali, dude. Van Zan was doing his best not to pass out, you need to accept this.

And Van Zan doesn't have his helicopter and team. H2H, McClane dominates the cotton-fisted boy-chaser.

Zan wasn't on the verge of losing his edge so if you had an actual case you could see the tide turn not someone say he would have killed you had he continued that doesn't suggest a dramatic drop in stamina.

Zan doesn't need one against a human against humans he uses his fist and head.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zan doesn't have time for vag he's too busy hunting and killing dragons. Don't hate the man who is keeping the earth as safe as he can while wiping out as many dragons as he can.

Zan wasn't on the verge of losing his edge so if you had an actual case you could see the tide turn not someone say he would have killed you had he continued that doesn't suggest a dramatic drop in stamina.

Zan doesn't need one against a human against humans he uses his fist and head.

Which would have amounted to a couple dragon's killed under Van Zan's watch and with the help of a gunship and team. Big whup, the big hero. He should have just used the remainder of his fuel and flown to Thailand, I'm sure there's at least a few young lady-boys the dragons missed.

Van Zan doesn't have an edge, so he can't lose it as fact. He has no stamina, should probably do more cardio and less roids.

Which as shown, back the power of kitten swipes. Quinn's face can attest to this fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zan doesn't have time for vag he's too busy hunting and killing dragons. Don't hate the man who is keeping the earth as safe as he can while wiping out as many dragons as he can.

Zan wasn't on the verge of losing his edge so if you had an actual case you could see the tide turn not someone say he would have killed you had he continued that doesn't suggest a dramatic drop in stamina.

Zan doesn't need one against a human against humans he uses his fist and head.

Why not? McClane would have been far better at it, by the looks of the comparison.

He utterly lacks the stamina, power and speed to beat McClane. Period. Might as well pitch Louis Tully against McClane...

But his fists are as ineffective as his headbutts..
😕

Still that said, maybe headbutting things (things his headbutts failed to destroy, presumably) was responsible for his brain damage like symptoms of being a retard?
Cause when you fail to headbutt like a man, and headbutt like a little girl, your head is the only thing that gets ruined, by all accounts.

"Breathing heavy after throwing 1 head-butt and 5 punches means your stamina is worse than 2012 Mohammad Ali, dude. Van Zan was doing his best not to pass out, you need to accept this."

Wise words indeed.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

Cause when you fail to headbutt like a man, and headbutt like a little girl, your head is the only thing that gets ruined, by all accounts.

That actually would explain him thinking that jumping into a dragon's mouth was a good plan.

Van Zan suffers from head-trauma. This is a spite-thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which would have amounted to a couple dragon's killed under Van Zan's watch and with the help of a gunship and team. Big whup, the big hero. He should have just used the remainder of his fuel and flown to Thailand, I'm sure there's at least a few young lady-boys the dragons missed.

Van Zan doesn't have an edge, so he can't lose it as fact. He has no stamina, should probably do more cardio and less roids.

Which as shown, back the power of kitten swipes. Quinn's face can attest to this fact.

Zan is all edge. An entire country was in awe of him. Pity the country that needs heroes. Zan was a hero the type of which McClane a punching bag who rivals Rocky in terms of getting his ass kicked gets ethered here.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Why not? McClane would have been far better at it, by the looks of the comparison.

He utterly lacks the stamina, power and speed to beat McClane. Period. Might as well pitch Louis Tully against McClane...

But his fists are as ineffective as his headbutts..
😕

Still that said, maybe headbutting things (things his headbutts failed to destroy, presumably) was responsible for his brain damage like symptoms of being a retard?
Cause when you fail to headbutt like a man, and headbutt like a little girl, your head is the only thing that gets ruined, by all accounts.

"Breathing heavy after throwing 1 head-butt and 5 punches means your stamina is worse than 2012 Mohammad Ali, dude. Van Zan was doing his best not to pass out, you need to accept this."

Wise words indeed.

Headbutting that took Quinn down isn't feminine it's manly while McClane is usually panting and getting beaten down by whoever shows up in the film just doesn't stack up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You forget in every movie McClane has had aid and so has Van against dragons unlike McClane who needs aid against puny humans.

Zan is all edge. An entire country was in awe of him. Pity the country that needs heroes. Zan was a hero the type of which

McClane a punching bag who rivals Rocky in terms of getting his ass kicked gets ethered here.

Aid to further the plot line, rarely in kicking ass, which McClane has plenty of, unlike your Bangkok Boy.

Edge like a bowling ball. If by "entire country" you mean a small group of survivors and if by "awe" you mean feared his team's tanks and greater weapons, we agree.

Maybe you didn't watch the Rocky films closely enough, but Balboa only really lost in the first film and it was a highly disputed decision. Unlike what McClane would do to your boy-toy Van Zan and his candy-fist.

Originally posted by Robtard
Aid to further the plot line, rarely in kicking ass, which McClane has plenty of, unlike your Bangkok Boy.

Edge like a bowling ball. If by "entire country" you mean a small group of survivors and if by "awe" you mean feared his team's tanks and greater weapons, we agree.

Maybe you didn't watch the Rocky films closely enough, but Balboa only really lost in the first film and it was a highly disputed decision. Unlike what McClane would do to your boy-toy Van Zan and his candy-fist.

The entire country wasn't much and they didn't even think it was possible to kill dragons so Zan really impressed them.

Maybe you didn't watch any of the rocky films because he gets waxed by Clubber lang and loses a decision in rocky balboa. I highly recommend the rockies since you haven't watched them all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Van dominated Quinn someone who was ahead of the dragons and in physical shape.

The entire country wasn't much and they didn't even think it was possible to kill dragons so Zan really impressed them.

Maybe you didn't watch any of the rocky films because he gets waxed by Clubber lang and loses a decision in rocky balboa. I highly recommend the rockies since you haven't watched them all.

Repeatin untruths over and over won't make them true. Quinn was an average fighter and you can't "dominate" someone if your punches can't even really break a Welshman's lips.

It was a castle and some people.

Kudos on Clubber, forgot he lost the first match. That wasn't an actual fight in the last film, it was for show/fun. So you're still more wrong. Rocky wins more than loses, watch the films again and count the wins to loses.

Originally posted by Robtard
Repeatin untruths over and over won't make them true. Quinn was an average fighter and you can't "dominate" someone if your punches can't even really break a Welshman's lips.

It was a castle and some people.

Kudos on Clubber, forgot he lost the first match. That wasn't an actual fight in the last film, it was for show/fun. So you're still more wrong. Rocky wins more than loses, watch the films again and count the wins to loses.

That represented a country due to the damage inflicted by the dragons. The size doesn't determine national status.

An exhibition in which he lost. So you missed two key fights and had to admit I was right and you were wrong. Just admit it in terms of the winner of the thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what proves he was average ?

That represented a country due to the damage inflicted by the dragons. The size doesn't determine national status.

An exhibition in which he lost. So you missed two key fights and had to admit I was right and you were wrong. Just admit it in terms of the winner of the thread.

Him showing average fighting skill and having no apparent fighting background/training. Quinn was an average dude and decent at rallying people.

A castle with some people in it is not a country.

You're still wrong, Rocky won more than he lost. Crying won't change what's captured on film. Film > Your thoughts