Pretty good, heres a video WARNING SPOILERS FOR SPACE MARINE;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXiYGiqG1FQ#t=2m22s
But you didnt know to look for those things (dimensions were obvious as was mass, we all knew that part) suc has torque and newtons until it was made clear how to go about calculating them. Dadumon and Morridini provided.
Re: Re: Invictus (Amped) v.s. Kain the vampire
Originally posted by Burning thought
Morridini, Dadumon and to some degree Bloodrain have some in depth knowledge on the engineering behind it but it was not a 10 ton bouldder, its the force required to move a 300 ton obelisk the way Raziel does spread across surface areas of a sharp tip for pressure but as for the thread see above.
Apparently not if the conlusion came to is that Kain can withstand the pressure of... god I can't even write that.
and I can tell you right now the math is hideously inaccurate. It's likely less than half of that. And you are missing the fact it wasn't lifted. At no point was it entired pulled off the ground, it was toppled over. It has an ill designed base so it's center of gravity being what it is would easily attribute to it's falling. Also the whole things lasts mere moments thus would would likely have to assume he could not maintain even as little as he did lift for more than what he did.
Long story short I've seen the math. And it made me lol from how wrong it was.
There is more wrong with it that just that but honestly logic tells me you aren't listening anyway so why bother.
Re: Re: Re: Invictus (Amped) v.s. Kain the vampire
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Apparently not if the conlusion came to is that Kain can withstand the pressure of... god I can't even write that.and I can tell you right now the math is hideously inaccurate. It's likely less than half of that. And you are missing the fact it wasn't lifted. At no point was it entired pulled off the ground, it was toppled over. It has an ill designed base so it's center of gravity being what it is would easily attribute to it's falling. Also the whole things lasts mere moments thus would would likely have to assume he could not maintain even as little as he did lift for more than what he did.
Long story short I've seen the math. And it made me lol from how wrong it was.
There is more wrong with it that just that but honestly logic tells me you aren't listening anyway so why bother.
Then argue it in the thread if your a better mathsmatician than they are and they have seen the video, never has it been mathed as fully lifted, hence why torque is involved.
Logic tells me you dont know what your talking about and would rather try and form an attack against me who did not actually do the calculation, rather than actually argue against the calcluation itself. If you had a complaint with the calculation why come to me, who did not do it, in the thread it was not formed in? silly isnt it....
Well if I recall the calculations foundations are wrong. Was the point how much pressure he can withstand or something, right?
Instantly that's an assumption you can't back up. Ever had to carry a heavy shopping bag a long way?
How were your fingers after that...
The problem is you can't work out things like this, in a fictional universe, using real life physics. Much less when all details aren't known.
What you're asking me to do defeats the very point of logic I am trying to tell you about. I could calculate the force required to topple the obelisk, but it would do nothing else you seem to think it might.
Forces they can resist? We need only use common sense and look at the enemies they face in game which harm them to decide that. Unless your argument is the enemies in the game possess power equal to the suns as was so calculated....
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Well if I recall the calculations foundations are wrong. Was the point how much pressure he can withstand or something, right?Instantly that's an assumption you can't back up. Ever had to carry a heavy shopping bag a long way?
How were your fingers after that...
The problem is you can't work out things like this, in a fictional universe, using real life physics. Much less when all details aren't known.
What you're asking me to do defeats the very point of logic I am trying to tell you about. I could calculate the force required to topple the obelisk, but it would do nothing else you seem to think it might.
Forces they can resist? We need only use common sense and look at the enemies they face in game which harm them to decide that. Unless your argument is the enemies in the game possess power equal to the suns as was so calculated....
What? what assumption? finding how much energy Raziel uses in his best feat and how much force he can use was the point, and we found it, 3 mega joules or something off the top of my head.
How long he can do it for is irrelevent once we found the energy used to do this, which can then be tranfered into energy in strikes using surface area, which we also did.
If your complaing about fictional universes using math then I dont recall you argueing against Screampaste mathing Link, Bloodrain mathing Bayonetta, Dante and Bowser or anyone else who may have been mathed. Take out your claim that your here to argue against math used in fiction and it seems clear to me your here to bash Kain or me in a thread where he has math backing him.
What do you mean by "enemies that harm them"? By your logic, Kratos can be harmed by basic zombies and skeletons if we cant use math or physics to deduct he has high durability from Titan slaps. Your approach is illogical, while the math is fine, if you want to argue the math then dont come to me 😬
Originally posted by Burning thought
What? what assumption? finding how much energy Raziel uses in his best feat and how much force he can use was the point, and we found it, 3 mega joules or something off the top of my head.How long he can do it for is irrelevent once we found the energy used to do this, which can then be tranfered into energy in strikes using surface area, which we also did.
If your complaing about fictional universes using math then I dont recall you argueing against Screampaste mathing Link, Bloodrain mathing Bayonetta, Dante and Bowser or anyone else who may have been mathed. Take out your claim that your here to argue against math used in fiction and it seems clear to me your here to bash Kain or me in a thread where he has math backing him.
What do you mean by "enemies that harm them"? By your logic, Kratos can be harmed by basic zombies and skeletons if we cant use math or physics to deduct he has high durability from Titan slaps. Your approach is illogical, while the math is fine, if you want to argue the math then dont come to me 😬
What's this? You're not dodging my point are you?
How long it can be done is entirely relevent. I could probably pull 300 pounds of the floor if for but a moment. Maintaining it is entirely different. To calculate something like this you need both good understand of physics and biology. However from these calculations the minds behind it seem to lack both.
Plus the moment you lift certain weighs you are being damaged. The length of time increases this. Hence my example of lifting shopping bags. They don't feel heavy at first. Then a ways down the road you feel your muscles stiffen. Later your fingers arche under the handles digging at your skin.
I don't care about any of that because I have not seen it. If ScreamPaste argues that link can withstand the pressure of the sun or more then I would certainly mention something about it. But right now I don't care about that. The only reason I'm even here was because it was recently posted in the game respect thread which for some reason i have alerts to all threads in the section. So i looked the latest post over, in which it claimed 17.5 times the suns pressure. I was later linked this thread due to it's spite. Hence my original comment.
My approach is as the game makers intended. How much damage a skeleton/zombie does is a game mechanic, as is any comparison to how much damage a 'titan slap' would do.
You have lost none of that which makes you so amusing to me.
The game does not show any major heat, infact if anything it converts most of its energy to pure force since if youve played the game, youll notice the piecies of the spire were not melted or turned to vapour or anything of the sort, it simply exploded on strike. Pressure again and force which Kain can take. On top of that, this thing will never hit him, as others have pointed out, big slow and cumbersome vs fast, powerful and durable, it cannot take a hit from kain since I cant imagine any x3+earth core pressure has hit it in 1mm^2 before and its pressure of its gun does not equel the stars core either.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
What's this? You're not dodging my point are you?How long it can be done is entirely relevent. I could probably pull 300 pounds of the floor if for but a moment. Maintaining it is entirely different. To calculate something like this you need both good understand of physics and biology. However from these calculations the minds behind it seem to lack both.
Plus the moment you lift certain weighs you are being damaged. The length of time increases this. Hence my example of lifting shopping bags. They don't feel heavy at first. Then a ways down the road you feel your muscles stiffen. Later your fingers arche under the handles digging at your skin.
I don't care about any of that because I have not seen it. If ScreamPaste argues that link can withstand the pressure of the sun or more then I would certainly mention something about it. But right now I don't care about that. The only reason I'm even here was because it was recently posted in the game respect thread which for some reason i have alerts to all threads in the section. So i looked the latest post over, in which it claimed 17.5 times the suns pressure. I was later linked this thread due to it's spite. Hence my original comment.
My approach is as the game makers intended. How much damage a skeleton/zombie does is a game mechanic, as is any comparison to how much damage a 'titan slap' would do.
You have lost none of that which makes you so amusing to me.
Well tell them that, why are you telling me? is this some effort to throw sand in someone elses face for a calc you think is wrong, but your telling someone who did not do it and whats more, with your bias and no counter to this calc or proof you know any better you think your argument is credible to me? not in the least. It makes sense, if someone can do X amount of force to move an object/strike then the thing they strike can take X amount of pressure, its simple.
Because your skin takes the pressure from the bag, so? Raziels not holding the full pressure from the obelisk, oppesite/equel reaction shows Raziel more than strong enough and his opposing force is higher.
No, its an awkward and illogical approach where attacks made by characters cannot really be gauged since apprently math is out of hte question. Your back to believing common opinion on how strong something or someone is despite not being able to use math in your opinion being the gauge.
Yes I thought this was a poor attempt at a troll from someone still sore after so long ago having been scorned, at least we can both get amusement at your lack of tact. No wonder you dont post in these threads much anymore.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Well tell them that, why are you telling me? is this some effort to throw sand in someone elses face for a calc you think is wrong, but your telling someone who did not do it and whats more, with your bias and no counter to this calc or proof you know any better you think your argument is credible to me? not in the least. It makes sense, if someone can do X amount of force to move an object/strike then the thing they strike can take X amount of pressure, its simple.Because your skin takes the pressure from the bag, so? Raziels not holding the full pressure from the obelisk, oppesite/equel reaction shows Raziel more than strong enough and his opposing force is higher.
No, its an awkward and illogical approach where attacks made by characters cannot really be gauged since apprently math is out of hte question. Your back to believing common opinion on how strong something or someone is despite not being able to use math in your opinion being the gauge.
Yes I thought this was a poor attempt at a troll from someone still sore after so long ago having been scorned, at least we can both get amusement at your lack of tact.
Why would I do that? My point here is to show you that Kain loses this fight. With that being the case you can go back and attempt to recalculate the math.
It's an awkward and illogical approach to take things in the way they are shown to you.... So I suppose actually playing the game must be painful for you. Watching your character flinch and lose hit-points to even a basic minions attack. Beyond that, yes math is out of the question. Due to the inconsistences that are abundant in most any game.
It's not that so much that after all this time we are still completely unable to understand one another’s point of view. You call it illogical to not calculate the forces at work in the great feat of a game world using real world physics. I call it illogical to disregard all other showings in favour of the greatest one ever displayed, and to try to calculate an imaginary universes physics when it’s nearly certain that the game creators themselves did not think to do so.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Why would I do that? My point here is to show you that Kain loses this fight. With that being the case you can go back and attempt to recalculate the math.It's an awkward and illogical approach to take things in the way they are shown to you.... So I suppose actually playing the game must be painful for you. Watching your character flinch and lose hit-points to even a basic minions attack. Beyond that, yes math is out of the question. Due to the inconsistences that are abundant in most any game.
It's not that so much that after all this time we are still completely unable to understand one another’s point of view. You call it illogical to not calculate the forces at work in the great feat of a game world using real world physics. I call it illogical to disregard all other showings in favour of the greatest one ever displayed, and to try to calculate an imaginary universes physics when it’s nearly certain that the game creators themselves did not think to do so.
YOu cant show me that Kain loses when your only tactic or argument at the moment is apprently the math is wrong. Considering I was part of the math, understood a lot of it and have a lot more faith in the 3 people who helped do it than i do with a bias troll your not going to get far my dear.
Well basic minions are irrelevent since their mechanics, again were back to the DMC or Kratos example, mooks can hurt him but this is not canon.
Its what seems to be popular on KMC now, I argued against maths in the beginning myself but now it works in my favour I may as well use it, you complaining to me is not going to change anything. Also, how do you know the creators did not think to do so? Theres clear intent in the obelisk being extremely heavy, theres clear intent that this shows raziel is strong, were not really talking large figuires here, 300 tons obelisk/pressure.
Sure, the final pressure is a huge figuire, but so is the strength you would probably claim for Kratos defeating a titan or Dantes speed.
Originally posted by BloodRainWarlord titans are covered by 40k lore. Essentially they're some of the most badass giant robots ever.
Scream, feats would be magically delicious.
It helps somewhat if you have a sense of the WH40k universe for scale.
For example, the 'thin' spire BT mentions above is thick even on the horizon, and reaches into orbit.
Feats? For durability all I honestly have to say is it's more durable than a space marine. Kain can't damage it. You've seen it's weaponry fire. Nuff said, honestly. Lol.
The shot itself travels insanely fast, and most of the time it took to fire was just targetting the spire.
The spire which it did purely concussive damage to, e.g. broke it into piecies. It did not flash burn it to mush or melt it in any way, infact when your fighting on the structure, the piecies are broken in places as if they had just been torn. Looking again, large amounts of the structure are fine and intact, no melting, only a lot of cracks and chunks so not even much pressure enough to shatter rock into crumbling piecies. Vs star core? not a chance....
A few teleports and Kain could have the slow ass machine wondering what the hell is going on as it gets torn open, or at least its pilots will be.
Also I like how your admitting you made it to be a spite thread, but had to add "Kain cant teleport inside!" because you know how much easier it would be to crush the crew.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Warlord titans are covered by 40k lore.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It helps somewhat if you have a sense of the WH40k universe for scale.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
more durable than a space marine.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Warlord titans are covered by 40k lore. Essentially they're some of the most badass giant robots ever.It helps somewhat if you have a sense of the WH40k universe for scale.
For example, the 'thin' spire BT mentions above is thick even on the horizon, and reaches into orbit.
Feats? For durability all I honestly have to say is it's more durable than a space marine. Kain can't damage it. You've seen it's weaponry fire. Nuff said, honestly. Lol.
The shot itself travels insanely fast, and most of the time it took to fire was just targetting the spire.
All I know is that is that that beam is powerful enough, and by a glance well above mach 10. And if its true that Kain can't damage it.. but I know jack all on this mech so meh.