Invictus (Amped) v.s. Kain the vampire

So your not finding the newtons a human wields, only the newtons required to break something. Can you post me what the wiki says on these things, I dont think a human can create 1 3rd of the pressures in the suns core, I think your taking something out of context which is why I would like to look at it.

I showed it in my video of part of it being destroyed. Altohugh its size is irrelevent. The pressures on it, those of the Titans gun which works on large structures at long range, not known to target tiny things at minimal ranges (after Kain teleports) are based on large scale damage, if its energy encumpasses a few thousand meters, or even a few hundred all that energy, probably less than a nuclear bomb will be useless on kain. Especially when it does not actually completly destroy what it hits, the warp holding the materials aside, the materials that were broken were torn, a modern bomb could probably do something that looks alike to that to our buildings.

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And 8k newtons in 1mm squared area is only 80000 bar of force, the 1x sun core is 250 billion, over 3 million times more.

1. Weightlifter. 2k is breaking the slabs, 5k was what people gave for a stronger punch.

2. Being unsure whether its the size of building or a city, it matters.

3. Look back at the spoiler part.

Originally posted by BloodRain
2. Being unsure whether its the size of building or a city, it matters.

Hopefully this is a good enough indicator of scale: (SPOILERS, of course.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juTX3gKF7e8#t=24m56s

Each of the little chunks seem to be quite a bit larger than the plane.

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. Weightlifter. 2k is breaking the slabs, 5k was what people gave for a stronger punch.

2. Being unsure whether its the size of building or a city, it matters.

3. Look back at the spoiler part.

1. It says that they are weighed under gravity, not necesserily energy to force, although what was your point here? A man can lift a heavy object at 8k newtons? Also what do you make of the "magnitude" as opposed to "value" parts?

2. Does it? hm curious.

3. What am I looking for extra? regardless, 8k/1mm^2, half surface area of your gauge of raziels claw tip equels 3 million times less than the suns core.

Not sure what to make of that vid. Looks far large when he lands then flying towards it.

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1. "Since weight under gravity is a force, several of these examples refer to the weight of various objects." Several, not all. Magnitude is the area its in per power of 10, value is the exact value. Point is that where Raziel's strength is 1.87e6 N, a humans is 2-8e3 N.

2. Why wouldn't something being a building or city buster matter? 😐

3.

Spoiler:
Its simple. Raz strength over his claws is 9.38e11. Over 1m^2 is 4.7e17. Human strength over a tip is 2-8e9. Over 1m^2 is 2-8e15. Exact same method. 'Sun core' is only brought up over a square meter and is not as impressive when you see its only 1-400 times human levels.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not sure what to make of that vid. Looks far large when he lands then flying towards it.

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1. "Since weight under gravity is a force, several of these examples refer to the weight of various objects." Several, not all. Magnitude is the area its in per power of 10, value is the exact value. Point is that where Raziel's strength is 1.87e6 N, a humans is 2-8e3 N.

2. Why wouldn't something being a building or city buster matter? 😐

3.

Spoiler:
Its simple. Raz strength over his claws is 9.38e11. Over 1m^2 is 4.7e17. Human strength over a tip is 2-8e9. Over 1m^2 is 2-8e15. Exact same method. 'Sun core' is only brought up over a square meter and is not as impressive when you see its only 1-400 times human levels.

1. Thats your outcome but whats the point? so what? Raziels is hundreds of times higher and using his claws can create the vast pressure mentioned.

2. Because its building and city buster scale has its pressure spread across those areas and even those areas cannot equel star core pressure x10, on top of that as shown even an ampled shot from the cannon cannot destroy the building completly, it just smashes large chunks out of it.

3. Theres no "over" 1m^2, dividing by a square meter would give less pressure than over his claw tips, your supposed to multiply how many times his claw tip area 2mm^2 go into 1m^2. Thats why your getting strange numbers I guess. As I dsplayed, the max a human, lets say peak human in strength can do is 3 millions times less than the suns core pressure.

The peak human above at 8k N pressued into the same area as Raziels claw is only 38750 bar, which is 233x less than Raziels. Thats not exactly a small difference. If you scale it up to 1m^2 you get 18.7 billion bar, not even close to the 250 billion which is 13x that, or Kains durability per square meter which is again hundreds times it.....

Although ive forgotten why this was argued as "not as impressive" since there is no humanoid or entity whos first layer of skin can take an olmypic heavyweight sticking a sharp knife into it and not even graze it.

1. Not impressive though.

2. Actually that pressure is < City busting.

3. Obv wrong wording, obv as the calc is obv. Obv. Its Mori's exact method with human force.

4. You're the only one arguing it. Im only here to explain the original point. So you were the one to double me and Scene's post size >__>

Originally posted by Burning thought
Although ive forgotten why this was argued as "not as impressive" since there is no humanoid or entity whos first layer of skin can take an olmypic heavyweight sticking a sharp knife into it and not even graze it.

I assume BT is talking about real entities?

Rhinos and tanks exist in real life Neph.

Originally posted by Burning thought
This is the interesting part, the Volcano cannon destroys navy ships, but does not destroy the spire which seems to be made of rockrete or w/e the concrete of WH40k is called, it blows a chunk out of it yes and the warp does indeed hold those piecies up but those piecies are very solid, large chunks, theres little to no burning or melting. This counters the second part of your post as well, the whole spire did not get destroyed and the area the Titan shot was blown apart alike to a regular military explosive, e.g. in large chunks.

What makes you think it was made of Rockcrete? And it's not actually stated what the Spire was made of. Not that it matters. You are aware that Rockcrete is used in the construction of bunkers in 40k, right? Hell, Rockcrete fortifications is the reason that the Vindicator was created, because maneuverable bunker-busting shells fired with precision were needed. And uh, it kind of would of destroyed the Spire, but it was held together by the Warp. Were it not contained by the Warp, the Spire would have been completely annihilated. Also, you clearly don't know what a Volcano Cannon does. In that, it's not a tactical nuke. It's a highly focused laser beam that creates a small (For its size) explosion on impact of its target, used to destroy other Titans are warships.

YouTube video

Check 8:40, notice the actual segment of the Spire hit is completely annihilated, and everything crumbles around it.

Also your talking about large scale use of the weapnon, their designed to hit large targets, doubt they can even target Kain especially when he teleports, hes not technically even in the world so I doubt they could even track him anyway. On top of that, if the weapon is designed to do a lot of damage across a whole surface area of a star ship, this area is going to divided down pressurewise even more on kain whos tiny, meaning hes going to be taking like 5% (random figuire but not the point) of the damage a starship would unless it can be proven the Volcano cannon can expend all its power into a single man sized shot. Also you mension it can expend sun pressures, kain takes sun core pressures, multiples times over.

They can target single units, have multiple times in the fluff. It doesn't matter though. Kain can't hurt the Titan. And sorry, as BloodRain just showed us, your little wank feat is not as impressive as you like to think it is.

I would like to see some of these sources. Because its a mechanism, something youve yet to realise also is that the blade/weapon itself would have to chomp/grind as the source says, because its a chainsaw, it would also make only tiny holes since its as you say monomolecular so it makes sense only entities that can be slashed in half or destroyed would be harmed.

That is not how a chainsword works. Chainswords are in fact capable of making a clean cut. Actually, they are more capable than most swords of doing so, because the teeth spin so incredibly fast. Chainswords, wielded by Space Marines, are in fact not guaranteed to cut though Power Armour. Let alone the plate of a Titan.

A butter knife? not sure "someone with a butter knife" could, but a molecular blade with space marine strength? I have yet to see any logic or reasoning or a feat to suggest a smaller unit cannot damage a Titan, infact apprently void shields do not even work in melee, so thats one form of its "high tech" protection gone.

Well in-game, a Space Marine wielding a chainsword can do no damage to a Titan. Especially since it would be the equivelant of poking a nail into the wall of a building. Titan plate is proof against bolters, lasguns, autocannons, most things really. Not even counting Void Shields.

Just reiterating for those who don't like reading teh math explanations; Raziel's strength is only 200x human, that's why its not as impressive as 'Sun/Earth core pressure' makes it sound.

So what needs to happen/how much power is needed to bring a mech like this down?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Rhinos and tanks exist in real life Neph.

They also exist in 40K. Though a Rhino is a tank. Dunno if its average or not though. mmm

I was just checking to make sure that he wasn't saying no humanoid period. Because Superman and stuff.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They also exist in 40K. Though a Rhino is a tank. Dunno if its average or not though. mmm

I was just checking to make sure that he wasn't saying no humanoid period. Because Superman and stuff.

Pretty sure the Thing could tank it, never mind Superman.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Just reiterating for those who don't like reading teh math explanations; Raziel's strength is only 200x human, that's why its not as impressive as 'Sun/Earth core pressure' makes it sound.

So what needs to happen/how much power is needed to bring a mech like this down?

To give you an idea of scale, a Deathstrike Missile is weaker than any Titan's best gun, and is ineffective in bringing them down.

A Deathstrike Missile can destabilise the tectonic plates of a planet and cause crippling earthquakes throughout it.

That's better than any nuclear weapon we've ever created.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Usually another Titan, or Super Heavy Tanks, or Gargantuan Creatures.

To give you an idea of scale, a Deathstrike Missile is weaker than any Titan's best gun, and is ineffective in bringing them down.

A Deathstrike Missile can destabilise the tectonic plates of a planet and cause crippling earthquakes throughout it.

That's better than any nuclear weapon we've ever created.

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Originally posted by BloodRain
1. Not impressive though.

2. Actually that pressure is < City busting.

3. Obv wrong wording, obv as the calc is obv. Obv. Its Mori's exact method with human force.

4. You're the only one arguing it. Im only here to explain the original point. So you were the one to double me and Scene's post size >__>

1. What is then? if star core pressure isnt...I dread to think what is impressive.

2. lol no its not, a nuclear bomb can city bust and some of our modern bombs do too, their also hundreds times less pressure than what were talking about here.

3. Wut did you say? just a lot of "obv"

Originally posted by NemeBro
A rhino or your average tank could.

I dont know about a Rhino, but your average tank or post World War 2 tank can also tank nuclear bombs. But the numbers speak for themselves, the whole "city bust" thing is overhyped. Modern nukes have less pressure than what Kain can take and based on space marine, they have more power than an amped volcano cannon.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Rhinos and tanks exist in real life Neph.

What makes you think it was made of Rockcrete? And it's not actually stated what the Spire was made of. Not that it matters. You are aware that Rockcrete is used in the construction of bunkers in 40k, right? Hell, Rockcrete fortifications is the reason that the Vindicator was created, because maneuverable bunker-busting shells fired with precision were needed. And uh, it kind of would of destroyed the Spire, but it was held together by the Warp. Were it not contained by the Warp, the Spire would have been completely annihilated. Also, you clearly don't know what a Volcano Cannon does. In that, it's not a tactical nuke. It's a highly focused laser beam that creates a small (For its size) explosion on impact of its target, used to destroy other Titans are warships.

YouTube video

Check 8:40, notice the actual segment of the Spire hit is completely annihilated, and everything crumbles around it.

They can target single units, have multiple times in the fluff. It doesn't matter though. Kain can't hurt the Titan. And sorry, as BloodRain just showed us, your little wank feat is not as impressive as you like to think it is.

That is not how a chainsword works. Chainswords are in fact capable of making a clean cut. Actually, they are more capable than most swords of doing so, because the teeth spin so incredibly fast. Chainswords, wielded by Space Marines, are in fact not guaranteed to cut though Power Armour. Let alone the plate of a Titan.

Well in-game, a Space Marine wielding a chainsword can do no damage to a Titan. Especially since it would be the equivelant of poking a nail into the wall of a building. Titan plate is proof against bolters, lasguns, autocannons, most things really. Not even counting Void Shields.

Its one of the few non metallic WH40k materials I know, it was probably if I had to guess has a civilion material makup on the parts the Titan destroyed with some metal scaffold on the inside based on the images. You cant prove it would have been completly annhilated, the only thing visually shown is that the piecies did not drop and neither did the top half of the spire, thats impressive for the warp but not for the volcano gun, it still did its damage, e.g. blew large chunks. The piecies still expand outwards though, those piecies if it were using as much pressure as your suggesting should have been disintegrated or blown into smaller piecies. If you watch the video earlier on in this thread where Titus runs around inside, a lot of the spires structure is quite instact.

Show me it targeting a single man with a Volcano cannon, sounds quite unbelivable. Its not my feat, its Kains, if it was mine I would be superhuman, and BR did not really show anything, only that assuming an object can take a tiny percentage of what Kain took and stand just as unharmed they would be that tiny percentage as durable as Kain....that would give them a feat so far beyond those youve shown me of the Titans durability wouldnt it.

What do you mean? you "can" poke/hit a nail in the side of a building though? But when in canon has a space marine struck a Titans toe or leg with a chiansword? Never? as I said before, Titans are built to be the pinnacle of weapons tech and fight cities and other titans as youve claimed, not single soldiers therefore theres no logical reasoing for every 1mm^2 to be protected to a higher degree than 3x earth core pressure, let alone several times that.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Just reiterating for those who don't like reading teh math explanations; Raziel's strength is only 200x human, that's why its not as impressive as 'Sun/Earth core pressure' makes it sound.

You dont understand though that the pressure is still there. Also this is coming from someone whos spent several pages complaining and stressing apprently how 20x someones strength is amazing! but now its Kain/Raziels strength whos higher, 200x higher, its not so impressive afterall.....

Kain can still on a pressure scale survive 17x the suns core pressures, which is hundreds times a nuclear bombs output. Which, based on the amped Volcano cannon performance, is not that far behind in power. If you hit a skyscraper with a nuke, the whole thing and the city around it would turn to dust, while the spire? it falls into huge chunks as if someones used plastic explosives to blow a hole in it.....

So if Raziels pressure is unimpressive<nuke blasts? nah....

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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Originally posted by Burning thought
1. What is then? if star core pressure isnt...I dread to think what is impressive.

2. lol no its not, a nuclear bomb can city bust and some of our modern bombs do too, their also hundreds times less pressure than what were talking about here.

3. Wut did you say? just a lot of "obv"

You dont understand though that the pressure is still there. Also this is coming from someone whos spent several pages complaining and stressing apprently how 20x someones strength is amazing! but now its Kain/Raziels strength whos higher, 200x higher, its not so impressive afterall.....

Kain can still on a pressure scale survive 17x the suns core pressures, which is hundreds times a nuclear bombs output. Which, based on the amped Volcano cannon performance, is not that far behind in power. If you hit a skyscraper with a nuke, the whole thing and the city around it would turn to dust, while the spire? it falls into huge chunks as if someones used plastic explosives to blow a hole in it.....

So if Raziels pressure is unimpressive<nuke blasts? nah....

1. As a person drenched in fiction, anything near human levels doesn't impress me.

2. Actually, yeah. A nuke 1/5th of Sun core pressure can only fully destroy 0.7km^2 where a our greatest nuke, several times that lower yield blasts, only fully destroys 16km^2. City busting begins at 80km^2 destruction. As said that pressure is below your average city busting feat.

3. Obvious post is obvious.

And 'nah' sums up the answer to the rest. Just the usual 'you obv dont get it', exclamation mimics, ignore basic points etc. So... Nah.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Usually another Titan, or Super Heavy Tanks, or Gargantuan Creatures.

To give you an idea of scale, a Deathstrike Missile is weaker than any Titan's best gun, and is ineffective in bringing them down.

A Deathstrike Missile can destabilise the tectonic plates of a planet and cause crippling earthquakes throughout it.

That's better than any nuclear weapon we've ever created.

O______o

Yeah this things not being brought down haermm