Invictus (Amped) v.s. Kain the vampire

What gauge do you have that its powerful enough? I am interested in that part, its fast enough "once" its fired yes to hit Kain or at least the area he is in, not sure if it can even target a small target, has a titan ever used its targeting to aim at a single man? They use inbuilt cybernetic humans, servitors? that do a lot of their calculations, have they aimed at such?

If you take into account the mech has been designed to glance off laser fire from tanks and other large tanks which are on a "building destruction" scale, then realise that their surface area on impact would be thousands times larger than Kains sword impact, which has x3 earth core pressure theres nothing that likely gives it a chance of survival.

Originally posted by BloodRain
:V Who?

:V Where?

:V A what?

All I know is that is that that beam is powerful enough, and by a glance well above mach 10. And if its true that Kain can't damage it.. but I know jack all on this mech so meh.

Imagine every heavy metal song you've ever heard and condense it into a single fictional universe, you just imagined Warhammer 40k.

It's basically a self parody (or started out that way)that goes way beyond over the top for everything. It's so grimdark that it uses that as a word in its' tag line, and everything is way more powerful than it should be.

A space marine is a heavily armoured super human warrior monk basically.... Yeah, I used 'basically' in that description.

Their armour can protect them from some pretty insane bullshit, including some forms of exterminatus. (Planet glassing) Titans > Marines.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What gauge do you have that its powerful enough? I am interested in that part, its fast enough "once" its fired yes to hit Kain or at least the area he is in, not sure if it can even target a small target, has a titan ever used its targeting to aim at a single man? They use inbuilt cybernetic humans, servitors? that do a lot of their calculations, have they aimed at such?

If you take into account the mech has been designed to glance off laser fire from tanks and other large tanks which are on a "building destruction" scale, then realise that their surface area on impact would be thousands times larger than Kains sword impact, which has x3 earth core pressure theres nothing that likely gives it a chance of survival.

Marines are stronger than Kain, and use monomolecularly edged mechanized melee weaponry. I promise that no matter what calculations you put that through, stronger + less surface area will top out Kain's numbers.

Unless chainswords are > the sort of things meant to pierce titan armour (hint, they aren't) Kain isn't damaging the titan.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh crap, you really aren't familiar, huh?

Imagine every heavy metal song you've ever heard and condense it into a single fictional universe, you just imagined Warhammer 40k.

It's basically a self parody (or started out that way)that goes way beyond over the top for everything. It's so grimdark that it uses that as a word in its' tag line, and everything is way more powerful than it should be.

A space marine is a heavily armoured super human warrior monk basically.... Yeah, I used 'basically' in that description.

Their armour can protect them from some pretty insane bullshit, including some forms of exterminatus. (Planet glassing) Titans > Marines.

It it wasn't for people here I wouldn't even know the game existed ^^;

Ok, that description made me salivate a bit 😐

Defiantly seem tough, and people online do say they have mad strength and durability like that strength w/ monomolecular weaps^... Gonna vote with the masses just cos~

Originally posted by BloodRain
It it wasn't for people here I wouldn't even know the game existed ^^;

Ok, that description made me salivate a bit 😐

Defiantly seem tough, and people online do say they have mad strength and durability like that strength w/ monomolecular weaps^... Gonna vote with the masses just cos~

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Warhammer40000 Here you go. Enjoy.

"Abnormal Ammo — Guns which fire razor-edged molecule-thick ninja stars, guns which fire nets of Razor Floss, guns which fire wooden stakes, flamethrowers which squirt holy napalm, biological guns which use, um, muscle spasms to fire flesh-eating beetles/maggots or exploding tumors, guns which open holes into hell, guns which fire tiny goblins through hell, grenades filled with tears collected from a thousand crying statues of the Emperor."

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

BT, no matter how wrong your math is, I can still beat you with the following:

Marines are stronger than Kain, and use monomolecularly edged mechanized melee weaponry. I [b]promise that no matter what calculations you put that through, stronger + less surface area will top out Kain's numbers.

Unless chainswords are > the sort of things meant to pierce titan armour (hint, they aren't) Kain isn't damaging the titan. [/B]

Its not my math although no, its yet to be proven wrong.

Marines are not here also I dont know what feats Titan armour even has yet, I know volcano cannons that Titans use and that Shadowsword Baneblades use can harm them though, but all their weapons work on a large surfae area, not at close range and the melee weaponry your claiming for marines is like a chainsaw, its not the same as a blade adn their surface area per blade may be small but the swords themselves are long, more surface area. Also, its been a while since I read a space marine novel, but I dont recall that many amazing marine feats of strength beyond the obelisk. In the game of space marine they push around and move heavy objects but not with great ease and space marine is apprently uncanon. Ultramarines omnibus does not seem to depict the marines as that ridiculous in strength, more os in endurance.

Also, small weapons in WH40k can be used to pierce armour, like power fists for example. You need to find an actual feat for the Titan, rather than guessing based on what you belive can only pierce it.

feats Titan armour even has yet

I know volcano cannons that Titans use

Powerfists are wrapped in disruption fields that rip apart atoms. 😐 Bad example is bad.

[quote]its not the same as a blade adn their surface area per blade may be small but the swords themselves are long, more surface area.

I cant see marine armour taking x3 earth core pressure either. THey guard against las fire and such but they can be killed by tanks and other bolters since that is what Chaos use as well.

Not necesserily, as I said their area of attack is large, e.g. hundreds of meters. Titans were never designed with ridiculous pressure working on 1mm^2 of their armour, certainy not x3 earth core pressure. If the game your titan here comes form has anything to say about Volcano cannons, even when amped they can only break apart a structure, theres nothing special in its firepower which to note again was amped and blew the power systems out on the whole Titan.

So what feats do Titans have to suggest they can survive a marine using a chainsword on a small porition of its armour? The lexican which seems to be the same source as yours says "high pitched scream as they grind into armour" so their not designed to just bisect guardsmen.

I cant see marine armour taking x3 earth core pressure either.

and other bolters since that is what Chaos use as well.

Titans were never designed with ridiculous pressure working on 1mm^2 of their armour, certainy not x3 earth core pressure.

As its a Kain thread and SP also gets that 'Sun/Earth core' isnt as tough as it sounds I'll quickly tell you why here:

Spoiler:
Raz strength (1.876e6) / claw tips (2e-6) = 3x Earth core (9.38e11)
3x Earth core over 1m^2 = 17x Sun core (4.7e17)
As Morrindini posted.
Now, look at the answer when I put in a humans 2k Newton strength with a 1e-6 knife tip:
Human strength (2000) / knife tip (1e-6) = (2e9)
(2e9) over 1m^2 = 8.333% Sun core (2e15)

Not as impressive when you throw the ol' human version into the mix.

And a molecule is 0.0000000001m long O-o Literally you could use 10.000 meters of it and the area would be the same as one claw tip.

..been stuck on the WH40K Tropes page for a while now...

..been stuck on the WH40K Tropes page for a while now...

Awesome, isn't it?

You guys got me into LoZ but didnt get me into this sooner? But it just had to have such a massive lore...

Jesus Christ Scream, I have to say I'm almost disgusted with the lack of 40k feats in this thread, I've been into 40k for what? Nine months? And I can bring more than that.

Space Marines can, with their fists, splinter ceramite. To give you an idea of how impressive this actually is, ceramite is virtually proof against a lasgun, which can punch through two meters of concrete and has a power output of what was it? 700 kilowatts Scream?

A Chainsword, which is monomolecular, and even when wielded by a Space Marine, is not guaranteed to actually breach power armour. Hell, the iconic bolter isn't even. Multiple instances in the fluff bolter rounds have hit Marines square in the chest and only pissed them off, and even a few instances of bolters hitting Marines in the face to no avail. To give you a sense of power output here, bolters are far more likely to penetrate armour and do lasting damage than lasguns, and are hypersonic rocket propelled grenades which explode after penetration. Even if this penetrates the armour, this might not kill the Marine in question.

But hey, **** power armour. Let's talk about Tactical Dreadnought Armour, or as it is more commonly known, Terminator Armour. Which can withstand the heat and pressure of the Plasma Reactor of a Titan. Or, to put it another way, a miniature sun.

Oh yes, and the Volcano Cannon in that video? At base it can destroy Imperial Navy ships. Which can easily withstand the heat and pressure of a sun, and has in several novels (Fulgrim comes to mind). That is a Volcano Weapon powered by

Spoiler:
the Warp

Oh, and I love the downplaying of destroying that Spire. Which reached orbit, and was much thicker than the average city. The only reason it wasn't completely destroyed was because the power of the Immaterium held it together.

To give you an idea of how impressive this actually is, ceramite is virtually proof against a lasgun, which can punch through two meters of concrete and has a power output of what was it? 700 kilowatts Scream?

I have to say I'm almost disgusted with the lack of 40k feats in this thread

Nothing posted demonstrates that Kain could so much as dent ceramite.

To be fair, meleeing the Titan is his most viable strategy.

In melee, the Titan can't actually do anything to Kain.

Shit, on the tabletop, there is a special rule that Titans can't actually use their melee weapons on anything smaller than other Titans, Gargantuan Creatures (Think the Hierophant), Super Heavy Tanks, or IIRC Flyers.

Of course, that's using their Titan Close Combat weapons. Stomp is of course a viable move.

But yes, the notion that Kain can dent the plate of a Titan is ludicrous. The only character in 40k I can think of who has fought Titans personally is Magnus the Red, the most powerful psyker in the galaxy short of the God Emperor, capable of planetary reality warping and destruction (That is, he can destroy the surface of a planet, and this is before he became a Daemon Prince).

This verse sounds pretty ridiculously high up.

I'm almost scared to get look further into it.

The strongest beings are pretty firmly Skyfather level or so.

The C'tan are the strongest beings in the Materium, and just one of them mindraped proto-life in the galaxy so thoroughly that it instilled the fear of death into all life (Except the Orks), as well as imprinting its image as the face of death. This C'tan, the Nightbringer, also has had a fraction of its power imbued into a starship, that allowed it to destroy solar systems on a whim. It is not the strongest C'tan.

Then of course, there are the denizens of the Warp, such as the Chaos Gods, Gork and Mork, and to an extent the Emperor. To give you an idea on their power, when Slaanesh, one of the Chaos Gods, was born, a two lightyear hold in time and space exploded into existence, and a massive empire of Space Elves all of the sudden found 95% of their galaxy spanning empire having their souls devoured.

So yeah, pretty high up lol.

Actually terminators are used to fight titans.
As for a single person though I know of no others.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Oh yes, and the Volcano Cannon in that video? At base it can destroy Imperial Navy ships. Which can easily withstand the heat and pressure of a sun, and has in several novels (Fulgrim comes to mind). That is a Volcano Weapon powered by

Spoiler:
the Warp

.

Oh, and I love the downplaying of destroying that Spire. Which reached orbit, and was much thicker than the average city. The only reason it wasn't completely destroyed was because the power of the Immaterium held it together.

This is the interesting part, the Volcano cannon destroys navy ships, but does not destroy the spire which seems to be made of rockrete or w/e the concrete of WH40k is called, it blows a chunk out of it yes and the warp does indeed hold those piecies up but those piecies are very solid, large chunks, theres little to no burning or melting. This counters the second part of your post as well, the whole spire did not get destroyed and the area the Titan shot was blown apart alike to a regular military explosive, e.g. in large chunks.

Also your talking about large scale use of the weapnon, their designed to hit large targets, doubt they can even target Kain especially when he teleports, hes not technically even in the world so I doubt they could even track him anyway. On top of that, if the weapon is designed to do a lot of damage across a whole surface area of a star ship, this area is going to divided down pressurewise even more on kain whos tiny, meaning hes going to be taking like 5% (random figuire but not the point) of the damage a starship would unless it can be proven the Volcano cannon can expend all its power into a single man sized shot. Also you mension it can expend sun pressures, kain takes sun core pressures, multiples times over.

I would like to see some of these sources.

Originally posted by BloodRain
As its a Kain thread and SP also gets that 'Sun/Earth core' isnt as tough as it sounds I'll quickly tell you why here:

Spoiler:
Raz strength (1.876e6) / claw tips (2e-6) = 3x Earth core (9.38e11)
3x Earth core over 1m^2 = 17x Sun core (4.7e17)
As Morrindini posted.
Now, look at the answer when I put in a humans 2k Newton strength with a 1e-6 knife tip:
Human strength (2000) / knife tip (1e-6) = (2e9)
(2e9) over 1m^2 = 8.333% Sun core (2e15)

Not as impressive when you throw the ol' human version into the mix.

And a molecule is 0.0000000001m long O-o Literally you could use 10.000 meters of it and the area would be the same as one claw tip.

..been stuck on the WH40K Tropes page for a while now...

Where are you getting the human strength from? also the suns core is at 10e16 roughply pascals, so how is 17x 4.7e17?

Also how does this make it unimpressive? I dont know what knife your using but a knife can indeed penetrate a fair deal, especially if your using something sharper than raziels claw.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Sounds way more impressive than it is.
Confirmed to be ineffective v.s. Astartes armour, actually.

Yes, Titans were designed to survive massive, high tech weaponry, but someone with a butter knife hacking at their paint will bring them down.

Not reall,y it is pretty impressive, creating the pressures of the Earth core in 1 mm^2 is nothing you can shrug off just because "its really high tech!"

Because its a mechanism, something youve yet to realise also is that the blade/weapon itself would have to chomp/grind as the source says, because its a chainsaw, it would also make only tiny holes since its as you say monomolecular so it makes sense only entities that can be slashed in half or destroyed would be harmed.

A butter knife? not sure "someone with a butter knife" could, but a molecular blade with space marine strength? I have yet to see any logic or reasoning or a feat to suggest a smaller unit cannot damage a Titan, infact apprently void shields do not even work in melee, so thats one form of its "high tech" protection gone.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
This verse sounds pretty ridiculously high up.

I'm almost scared to get look further into it.

When you take a deeper look at the amazing world of fiction, you realize that WH40K isn't particularly powerful. So fear not my friend. Fear not!

Few sites say 2k N is needed to punch through concrete slabs, others say 5k and wiki says weightlifters are 8k. In other words a human can get to 1/3 Sun core.
Because saying Sun/Earthcore make it sound far more impressive then it is ans humans arent far off. And not sharper, just one tip.

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Can someone show how large the spire is?