Originally posted by the DarkoneDon't know. Leaning towards Mordru as there is no reason why he couldn't copy stranges act/absorb Shuma-entirely. Additionally there is the possibility he could outright beat Shuma as I'd place him a fair bit above Sise
Shuma-Gorathvs.
Mordru ( powerful form)
1 battle takes place in SG realm
2. battle takes place in nertual universe, but SG keep his power level
Originally posted by Uriel005
Don't know. Leaning towards Mordru as there is no reason why he couldn't copy stranges act/absorb Shuma-entirely. Additionally there is the possibility he could outright beat Shuma as I'd place him a fair bit above Sise
You would put Mordru above Sisi-neg, I dont know about that! Sis was at the time pretty damn close to the top of the food chain below LT and powerful as hell, they are pretty much alike in some degrees.
Originally posted by CortSether.... Mordru Any old person ..... right and Nabu and Shazam aren't anywhere near comparable to Sise-neg. considering mordru has overpowered Shazam who while weakened was nearly able to blast raging Spectre from DOV to smithereens... right sorry for thinking that Sise-neg wasn't leagues above Mordru.
WTH? Mordru have never been close to Sise-Neg in power.And lol at people acting like fusing with Shuma-Gorath is feasible for just any ol' person who happens to know magic.
Originally posted by Uriel005
.... Mordru Any old person ..... right and Nabu and Shazam aren't anywhere near comparable to Sise-neg. considering mordru has overpowered Shazam who while weakened was nearly able to blast raging Spectre from DOV to smithereens... right sorry for thinking that Sise-neg wasn't leagues above Mordru.
Sise-Neg destroyed and recreated all of Marvel, that's leagues above anything that Nabu, Shazam or Mordru could do. They're not even comparable.
Originally posted by CortSether
Sise-Neg destroyed and recreated all of Marvel, that's leagues above anything that Nabu, Shazam or Mordru could do. They're not even comparable.
That's also leagues above anything Gorath has done, so what's the point. Neg didn't want to waste precious energy on a fight with Gorath (who at the time was picking on primitive ape men 😆 ) so he banished him. Big whoop. 🙄
Originally posted by zopzop
That's also leagues above anything Gorath has done, so what's the point. Neg didn't want to waste precious energy on a fight with Gorath (who at the time was picking on primitive ape men 😆 ) so he banished him. Big whoop. 🙄
Who the hell was arguing this point to begin with? Way to make an argument that doesn't exist.
Uriel said he puts Mordru above Sise-Neg, which is what I was disputing.
And demons like to feed on things. Why Shuma devouring human ancestors is a point you like to continually make is very odd, to say the least.
Originally posted by CortSether
Sise-Neg destroyed and recreated all of Marvel, that's leagues above anything that Nabu, Shazam or Mordru could do. They're not even comparable.
Yeah Strange and Mordo got to see time wind back to the dawn of creation in reverse ending with the universe made in his image then he decided to undo what just happened and recreate it as it was. Pretty decent feat.
Originally posted by zopzop
That's also leagues above anything Gorath has done, so what's the point. Neg didn't want to waste precious energy on a fight with Gorath (who at the time was picking on primitive ape men 😆 ) so he banished him. Big whoop. 🙄
He banished him but it was kind of a sneak attack. He didn't attempt nor did he want to attempt facing Shuma head on which says alot.
Originally posted by SundippedNot saying that it isn't impressive by any means. It's just a matter of where their strengths lie in a rock paper scissors contest and Mordru has a one up on most magic/energy users through his ridiculous absorb capabilities and raw power to at the least toe to toe with the very best under his own power. Also bricks generally don't have much success with him.
Yeah Strange and Mordo got to see time wind back to the dawn of creation in reverse ending with the universe made in his image then he decided to undo what just happened and recreate it as it was. Pretty decent feat.
Originally posted by Sundipped
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Agreed. I believe what it will come down to is who's absorption powers prevail first. Like I said Sise-Neg (a guy capable of the above feat) had to secretly banish him for a fear of being leeched on so....theres no telling who would weaken first.
But that was before Sise-Neg was at the end of his journey.
But even at that point when Sise-Neg had encountered Shuma, I still say he'd wipe the floor with Mordru. He had absorbed so much power that Strange couldn't use any spells whatsoever, including the ones from other magical deities.
And Sise-Neg is a nexus being. Mordru is not. Big advantage for Sise-Neg there.
Originally posted by CortSether
But that was before Sise-Neg was at the end of his journey.But even at that point when Sise-Neg had encountered Shuma, I still say he'd wipe the floor with Mordru. He had absorbed so much power that Strange couldn't use any spells whatsoever, including the ones from other magical deities.
And Sise-Neg is a nexus being. Mordru is not. Big advantage for Sise-Neg there.
You do have a point. His whole purpose for the journey was to absorb and control as much mystical energy as possible. By the time he travelled back to the time of ape like beings he had enough to go ahead and banish Shuma.
The only reason Sise didn't kill Shuma outright is because it would have cost him "some" of his carefully accumulated power- power that he needed in order to reach the crescendo of his plan (ie. the destruction/recreation of the entire Marvel continuum.)
So instead, Sise casually drew "much" of Shuma's power away, subsequently putting him to sleep:
Point being: Sise was far and away superior to Shuma.
