Originally posted by Galan007
[B]Yet even more irony from you. Let's try to keep the insults out of this. They make you look childish.
It's not meant to be an insult it's simply meant to say keep your argument more concise so you don't jump around all over the place and make what you're arguing hard to follow. i.e. First saying that Sise-Neg was at full power "by the time" he fought Shuma, indicating you meant he was at FP before that and then later saying "between confronting Shuma and recreating the universe". Those are clearly different things.
Anyhow, Sise is a time/dimension traveler and can control time/space on a universal scale.
Just because you have the ability to jump through time doesn't mean you can control all of time and space at a whim. If he could control all time/space in the universe just through time travel technique then he wouldn't need to absorb mystical power to achieve his goal of recreating it in his image.
That's why there were no relative time gaps.
Well why didn't you say that from the beginning then? The relative part would have been important to include in the beginning in order for others not to conclude that you meant Sise-Neg didn't travel any further back from the time on Earth to the point when he made the Big Bang.
He beat Shuma (aka. "the FINAL possessor of mystical energy."😉 Then immediately teleported away and began destroying the universe. Get it? If Shuma was the "FINAL" mystical being out there, then it's blatantly clear that Sise didn't absorb any further magical energy, because there was none left to absorb.
Yes, thanks for finally being clear.
It's assumed by you, but I could care less about that. Sise obviously didn't absorb any further magics, as Shuma was the FINAL mystical being (per Sise's own accord.) That being said, changing forms can be attributed solely to him finally utilizing the full extent of his powers. Remember, he was conserving his energies beforehand (see his battle with Shuma) because he needed them in order to achieve his final goals. Once Shuma (the FINAL mystical being in existence) was out of the picture, Sise no longer had to conserve his energies, because his absorption-spree was finished.
Okay, I can now see eye to eye with you on this point. So I agree that Sise-Neg didn't absorb anything more after absorbing from Shuma. But now that that's out of the way...
Let's not forget where the original dispute was. We both agreed that by the time Sise-Neg is able to create anew the Marvel Universe he would easily be able to stomp Shuma-Gorath. Yet you originally said that Sise-Neg was at full power when he saw Shuma-Gorath. That's the main point I've been trying to address this whole time. You said:
I worded it that way because it is pure idiocy to assume the (minimal by comparison) power Sise absorbed from Shuma would have made any sort of difference in whether or not he was able to destroy and recreate the universe.
You're saying here that Sise-Neg would have been able to recreate Marvel without Shuma's energy In the very scan you provided with Sise-Neg recognizing Shuma, he states ""I know not its name, but I sense it to be an other dimensional entity--the FINAL possessor of mystical energy I must have."
That shows without any room for argument that Sise-Neg needed Shuma-Gorath's power in order to recreate the universe. You don't think a God's power added to someone else makes a difference in the magical capability of the person absorbing said power?
Sise took away the bulk of Shuma's power with a literal blink of his eyes. The difference in power speaks for itself.
Yes, it shows a difference in power. But that does not show that Sise-Neg would have had an easy time with Shuma-Gorath had they fought directly. Shuma has the same energy absorption ability that Sise-Neg possessed and a battle between them would have been a back and forth of drawing power from each other. Yeah, Sise-Neg would have probably won - but it would not have been nearly as easy as you suggest it would have been, based on Sise-Neg's comments that disposing of Shuma would take time and energy. And I'll repeat it again, if Sise-Neg was so certain he could defeat Shuma in a head to head battle at that point he could have just attacked him and absorb him later, and that would be that.
Anyhow, Sise drew away "much" of Shuma's power, placed him in a comatose state, and trapped him in another dimension for millenia...With a blink. The gargantuan difference in power between them is obvious.
I still don't understand how you think this is an indicator of how a battle between them would go. Shuma-Gorath wasn't even fighting or using any of its power to attack or defend. That's like saying you could go up to some random guy and put a bullet in his brain while he's eating and because you defeated him easily with that you'd be able to take him out just as easily if he was actually able to defend himself.
