Shuma- Gorath vs Mordru

Originally posted by Galan007
The only reason Sise didn't kill Shuma outright is because it would have cost him "some" of his carefully accumulated power- power that he needed in order to reach the crescendo of his plan (ie. the destruction/recreation of the entire Marvel continuum.)

So instead, Sise casually drew "much" of Shuma's power away, subsequently putting him to sleep:

Point being: Sise was far and away superior to Shuma.

Nobody's questioning that. Although his statement "I cannot attempt to destroy it because it would take time" lets you know it's not going to be a walk in the park.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Nobody's questioning that. Although his statement "I cannot attempt to destroy it because it would take time" lets you know it's not going to be a walk in the park.

However, the following line: "and in that time it would leech SOME of my carefully accumulated energy from me." Let's us know the Sise was capable of killing Shuma outright, with relatively minimal power expenditure -- so a battle between them isn't likely to have lasted THAT long.

Originally posted by Galan007
The statement: "that would take time" is very ambiguous. It could mean several seconds, several minutes, several hours, etc.

However, the following line: "and in that time it would leech SOME of my carefully accumulated energy from me." Let's us know the Sise was capable of killing Shuma outright, with relatively minimal power expenditure -- so a battle between them isn't likely to have lasted THAT long.

If he was indeed talking about a short time span then I see no reason for Sise not to go ahead and destroy him outright. Why just banish him when you can ultimately do away with the problem?

"This entity, I sense, absorbs power even as I do". Sise knows this will be a time consuming/draining/back and forth battle. I agree it's Sise>>Shuma but it's not going to be a stomp.

Originally posted by Galan007
The statement: "that would take time" is very ambiguous. It could mean several seconds, several minutes, several hours, etc.

However, the following line: "and in that time it would leech SOME of my carefully accumulated energy from me." Let's us know the Sise was capable of killing Shuma outright, with relatively minimal power expenditure -- so a battle between them isn't likely to have lasted THAT long.

I don't think Sise-Neg would have been worried about his energy being taken away by Shuma if it was going to be easy as pie. If he destroyed Shuma he could always just absorb the energy afterwards coming out of Shuma after its destruction. That's why I'm of the opinion that it would have been a taxing battle. Sise-Neg does say that he doesn't want to attempt to confront Shuma. That shows a degree of uncertainty/cautiousness. Whereas he had just previously said that he could kill Mordo and Strange with the slightest thought.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I agree it's Sise>>Shuma but it's not going to be a stomp.

Originally posted by CortSether
I don't think Sise-Neg would have been worried about his energy being taken away by Shuma if it was going to be easy as pie.

Originally posted by CortSether
If he destroyed Shuma he could always just absorb the energy afterwards coming out of Shuma after its destruction.

That's why I'm of the opinion that it would have been a taxing battle. Sise-Neg does say that he doesn't want to attempt to confront Shuma. That shows a degree of uncertainty/cautiousness.

Also, your reabsorption opinion makes no sense to me. If Sise would have been able to reabsorb said power after killing Shuma, it wouldn't matter whether it took him a short time, or a long time to do so.

Originally posted by Galan007
Except it WAS a stomp. srsly

Come on now Galan. glare

He had to secretly depower him to a certain extent then transport him before Shuma realized what had happened. In a sense, he basically dodged him.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Come on now Galan. glare

He had to secretly depower him to a certain extent then transport him before Shuma realized what had happened. In a sense, he basically dodged him.

Originally posted by Galan007
[B]Except it WAS a stomp. srsly

Only b/c Shuma had no idea that Sise-Neg was there. It wasn't a battle in any sense.

"Some" of his energy, you mean. Taken into the context of that scene, some =/= a lot.

Sise-Neg would have no way of knowing how much power would be taken away from him had Shuma actually attacked him. "Some" is an estimation, because at the very least "some" of his energy would be used in a confrontation, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have taken effort out of Sise to put Shuma down. He does say clearly that it would take time.

Eh, what? Sise said he could kill Shuma -- but it'd take some of his power to do so- and he needed every last bit of power he could muster to achieve his final goal (as I said above.) That's why he opted to [casually] draw away "MUCH" of Shuma's own power, subsequently forcing him to sleep for a millenia.

Nowhere in Sise's comments does he confirm that he could definitively kill Shuma. He merely states that he cannot attempt to destroy him because Shuma's energy absorption ability would take time for him to overcome and leech some of his energy. If Sise-Neg felt that he would have stomped Shuma then there would be no need to note his energy absorption ability. And Sise-Neg has been able to take the magical energy away from pretty much everyone casually. He even did so to Merlyn. But Sise's words clearly show he wouldn't be able to casually deal with Shuma if he was detected.

And also notice how Sise-Neg uses his some of his magic to create a paradise for the two remaining primates after disposing of Shuma. Why wasn't he worried about his precious energy being used then?

Also, your reabsorption opinion makes no sense to me. If Sise would have been able to reabsorb said power after killing Shuma, it wouldn't matter whether it took him a short time, or a long time to do so.

Which only supports the opinion that Sise-Neg wasn't 100% certain that he could defeat Shuma in a confrontation. If he was certain of being able to kill Shuma head on then worrying about energy wouldn't be a problem because he could simply absorb back that energy he used. Energy doesn't disappear it can only be converted.

It would be pretty interesting if Mordru can absorb Shuma's power and vice versa. Mordru is immortal, so Shuma won't be able to kill him

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It would be pretty interesting if Mordru can absorb Shuma's power and vice versa. Mordru is immortal, so Shuma won't be able to kill him

Same goes for Shuma. Also, Strange only merged with Shuma b/c Shuma planned for that to happen should he be defeated. Strange didn't just straight up force the merging with him, unlike how he dealt with Arioch previously.

Originally posted by CortSether
Only b/c Shuma had no idea that Sise-Neg was there. It wasn't a battle in any sense.

Sise-Neg would have no way of knowing how much power would be taken away from him had Shuma actually attacked him. "Some" is an estimation, because at the very least "some" of his energy would be used in a confrontation, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have taken effort out of Sise to put Shuma down. He does say clearly that it would take time.

Nowhere in Sise's comments does he confirm that he could definitively kill Shuma. He merely states that he cannot attempt to destroy him because Shuma's energy absorption ability would take time for him to overcome and leech some of his energy. If Sise-Neg felt that he would have stomped Shuma then there would be no need to note his energy absorption ability. And Sise-Neg has been able to take the magical energy away from pretty much everyone casually. He even did so to Merlyn. But Sise's words clearly show he wouldn't be able to casually deal with Shuma if he was detected.

And also notice how Sise-Neg uses his some of his magic to create a paradise for the two remaining primates after disposing of Shuma. Why wasn't he worried about his precious energy being used then?

Which only supports the opinion that Sise-Neg wasn't 100% certain that he could defeat Shuma in a confrontation. If he was certain of being able to kill Shuma head on then worrying about energy wouldn't be a problem because he could simply absorb back that energy he used. Energy doesn't disappear it can only be converted.

You fellas really like Shuma, eh? Sise -the same guy who went only to destroy/recreate all of Marvel- gesturely takes "MOST" of Shuma's power away, yet his ability to definitively kill the slug is in question..?

lol, w/e.

Originally posted by Galan007
facepalm

You fellas really like Shuma, eh?

There has NEVER been a character that's been hyped up like Shuma has and he's accomplished NOTHING. Shuma-Gorath the character hyperbole built. 😘

Originally posted by Galan007
Shuma was still unable to defend in any way/shape/form. Just saying...

I could break into your house and kill you with a AK-47 before you realized I was there too. 😆

Doesn't mean I would trump you under even circumstances tho.

Originally posted by zopzop
There has NEVER been a character that's been hyped up like Shuma has and he's accomplished NOTHING. Shuma-Gorath the character hyperbole built. 😘

Originally posted by Sundipped
I could break into your house and kill you with a AK-47 before you realized I was there too. 😆

Doesn't mean I would trump you under even circumstances tho.

Shuma Gorath

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm inclined to agree, actually.

Except Shuma popped up right in front of Sise. Just saying...

Sneaky son of a ***** aint he? 😎

😂

Originally posted by Galan007
facepalm

You fellas really like Shuma, eh? Sise -the same guy who went only to destroy/recreate all of Marvel- gesturely takes "MOST" of Shuma's power away, yet his ability to definitively kill the slug is in question..?

lol, w/e.

At the end of his journey, when he merged with the Big Bang that wouldn't be in question at all - Sise would stomp heavily. At the time of his encounter with Shuma-Gorath, yes how the conflict would have gone down can be speculated based on Sise-Neg's comments.

Why is taking most of Shuma's energy away indicative of anything? Shuma was minding its own biz having a snack. Based on Sise-Neg's statement that Shuma has the same nature of energy absorption powers as him, it wouldn't be far out to say that had the roles been reversed and Shuma-Gorath encountered Sise-Neg while he was minding his business and eating a PB & J sandwich, that Shuma-Gorath could have absorbed much of Sise's energy away and banished him to a far off place.

Originally posted by CortSether
Why is taking most of Shuma's energy away indicative of anything? Shuma was minding its own biz having a snack.

Snack? He had his hands full conquering a planet (Earth) of...............APE MEN. Freaking Ape Men!
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Shuma-Gorath/shumagorathsiseneg.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
Snack? He had his hands full conquering a planet (Earth) of...............APE MEN. Freaking Ape Men!
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Shuma-Gorath/shumagorathsiseneg.jpg

That's a endless supply of food tho. Let em reproduce first then eat. 😛