Celestials Vs Galactus Engine · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sinestro no-selling/stomping the Weaponer solo -- who easily handled Kyle, John, GL Ganthet, Hannu and Alpha Lantern Boodikka simultaneously -- must have really grinded your gears then. You probably hated every single aspect about that.

Yeah, that analogy would only be applicable to my stance if the aforementioned Lanterns + Sinestro had barely been able to contend with the Weaponer originally. Then a weaker-than-normal Sinestro pops up later in the story, and beats the Weaponer unaided... Which isn't how things happened at all.

So you can either keep listing bad analogies, or accept how ridiculous it is to assume Galactus was holding back the GE by himself.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Question Galan... which is more sound...

To go by artist depiction and narration confirming said artist depiction or Saying nuh uh I don't like that cause it doesn't quite fit? By the way..on this same line.. why couldn't the celestials and other abstracts taken some of the GE's mustard and he wasn't quite as powerful as before.. If it's your contention that Galactus was weaker having battled the GE (when there was no evidence supporting that stance) why couldn't the GE also be weaker as there is no evidence supporting that other than the same logic you're applying to Galactus probably being weaker.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Question Galan... which is more sound...
To go by artist depiction and narration confirming said artist depiction or Saying nuh uh I don't like that cause it doesn't quite fit?

Because based on EVERY artistic depiction/description beforehand, it took multiple cosmics just to "barely" hold back the GE. So why would I believe that all of the sudden a weaker Galactus was able to hold it back unaided? Imo, the latter is simply illogical.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
why couldn't the GE also be weaker as there is no evidence supporting that other than the same logic you're applying to Galactus probably being weaker.

The more energy Galactus expends between feedings, the less powerful he becomes (usually by a significant margin.) That's how his character has ALWAYS been portrayed. Having said that: considering Galactus was constantly expending energy against the GE without feeding during that time, the logical conclusion is that he would have been a good deal less powerful by the end of that confrontation, then he was at the beginning.

Other side of the coin, it's impossible to gauge how much power the GE had left. All we know for sure is that it's attacks never appeared to weaken/lessen in the slightest.

Cogito Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Question Galan... which is more sound...
To go by artist depiction and narration confirming said artist depiction or Saying nuh uh I don't like that cause it doesn't quite fit?

Only problem with your argument is that artist depiction doesn't show anything and narration doesn't say anything about the other cosmics dying or leaving. Readers filled in those blanks.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Because based on EVERY artistic depiction/description beforehand, it took multiple cosmics just to "barely" hold back the GE. So why would I believe that all of the sudden a weaker Galactus was able to hold it back unaided? Imo, the latter is simply illogical.
The more energy Galactus expends between feedings, the less powerful he becomes (usually by a significant margin.) That's how his character has ALWAYS been portrayed. Having said that: considering Galactus was constantly expending energy against the GE without feeding during that time, the logical conclusion is that he would have been a good deal less powerful by the end of that confrontation, then he was at the beginning.
Other side of the coin, it's impossible to gauge how much power the GE had left. All we know for sure is that it's attacks never appeared to weaken/lessen in the slightest.

Right but when there were no left as shown.. and narration confirms Galactus was the only one and holding it off.. that should carry more weight then nuh uh I don't like it cause it doesn't quite fit no?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

So you're saying that a weaker Galactus alone was able to do what he + multiple other cosmics had barely been able to do beforehand..? Wow, you think much higher of Galactus than I do.

...Also, do you believe Odin would be capable of holding back the GE by himself? Because if a less than well-nourished Galactus can do it, surely a full-powered Odin can as well, no?

Cogito Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right but when there were no left as shown.. and narration confirms Galactus was the only one and holding it off.. that should carry more weight then nuh uh I don't like it cause it doesn't quite fit no?

I'd like to see where the narration confirmed anything, because I missed that part. Fact: the narration said nothing about the cosmics leaving or dying. Fact: the art didn't show the cosmics leaving or dying.

Let's show an analogous art example.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/CogitoXP/SCW25-22.jpg
http://s1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/CogitoXP/?action=view&current=SCW25-23.jpg

These are sequential pages from Sinestro Corps War. The first shows dozens of heroes/GLs fighting off the Anti-Monitor. The second shows only the Guardians. Do we assume that all of the heroes/GLs died or ran away because we can only see the Guardians in the second? Hell no.

So do I assume all the cosmics died or left because they were shown in one panel and not the next? Hell no.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Originally posted by Cogito
I'd like to see where the narration confirmed anything, because I missed that part. Fact: the narration said nothing about the cosmics leaving or dying. Fact: the art didn't show the cosmics leaving or dying.
Let's show an analogous art example.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/CogitoXP/SCW25-22.jpg
http://s1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb378/CogitoXP/?action=view&current=SCW25-23.jpg
These are sequential pages from Sinestro Corps War. The first shows dozens of heroes/GLs fighting off the Anti-Monitor. The second shows only the Guardians. Do we assume that all of the heroes/GLs died or ran away because we can only see the Guardians in the second? Hell no.
So do I assume all the cosmics died or left because they were shown in one panel and not the next? Hell no.

Did you miss the part about Aegis be killed by the GE? Did you miss the narration that says the other abtracts are retreating? did you miss the narration tha states Galactus his HOLDING IT OFF BY HIMSELF and the artwork shows NOBODY ELSE THERE. How on God's green earth can you say there is none of this said or shown is beyond me.

Bentley Seitei

Odin is not here, stop going off topic Galan.

😛

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
So you're saying that a weaker Galactus alone was able to do what he + multiple other cosmics had barely been able to do beforehand..? Wow, you think much higher of Galactus than I do.
...Also, do you believe Odin would be capable of holding back the GE by himself? Because if a less than well-nourished Galactus can do it, surely a full-powered Odin can as well, no?

Again, I understand your point about it not quite fitting and that he shouldn't be able to do that really. We understand this point. However, the bigger point is.. this happens ALL THE TIME in comics.. It's one of those welcome to comics things.. It happens. So what I'm asking is.. which carries more weight... Artistic depiction backed up by on panel narration stating something is so.. or something that doesn't quite fit and a little inconsistent with powerlevels and going nuh uh.. I don't like it it didn't happen?

Cogito Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you miss the part about Aegis be killed by the GE?

No, I caught that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you miss the narration that says the other abtracts are retreating? did you miss the narration tha states Galactus his HOLDING IT OFF BY HIMSELF

Yes, I missed those parts. Show me where it says either of those claims.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, I understand your point about it not quite fitting and that he shouldn't be able to do that really.

At least someone isn't totally blind. 👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So what I'm asking is.. which carries more weight... Artistic depiction backed up by on panel narration stating something is so.. or something that doesn't quite fit and a little inconsistent with powerlevels and going nuh uh.. I don't like it it didn't happen?

I think you're forgetting that every single depiction/description beforehand showed/stated it taking numerous cosmics just to "barely" contend with the GE--not just one weakened Galactus. If only the latter were required, the collective team-up of cosmics would have effortlessly destroyed the GE... Which wasn't the case at all.

...So it seems like you (and others) are choosing to ignore those instanceS, and are instead opting to acknowledge only a single (imo ambiguous) instance that, when viewed logically, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Statements like: "this type of thing happens all the time in comics. Deal with it" are cop-outs. At least acknowledge the blatant idiocy in assuming only Galactus was holding back the GE.

Like I said before: even if that IS what happened, it's among the finest examples of PIS in existence.

cdtm Restricted

Bad examples aside, aren't there plenty of good examples of one character succeeding, where an entire team of comparable characters with or without that character fails..?

Death of Superman, when a half dead Supes succeeds where Supes and his entire league failed? Protege being so powerful, Living Tribunal is telling high abstracts they need to save their power just to hold them off, before a lone Celestial kills him?

Hirudegarn kicking Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta's collectives asses, and Goku suddenly kills him? 😈

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Those are still bad examples when taken into context.

Bentley Seitei

Nah.

Cogito Senior Member

They are stupid.

Superman has a long history of getting stronger in response to greater threats.

The LT/Protege was just stupid storytelling that happened a long time ago when lots of stupid, inconsistent shit happened in comics.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Yah.

-Supes was holding back against Doomsday, until they fought in Metropolis (as he stated.)
-Scathan is completely unquantifiable. He could well be superior to LT.
-Who gives a f*ck about DBZ?
ermm

Bentley Seitei

Galactus sucks at fighting, is very easy to improve from that. 😄

Cogito Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you miss the narration that says the other abtracts are retreating? did you miss the narration tha states Galactus his HOLDING IT OFF BY HIMSELF

If anyone else wants to chime in with scans backing up these claims, feel free.

From what I'm looking at, there's nothing shown or mentioned about the cosmics between here and here.

Which is the same situation as the SCW Anti-Monitor example I posted a little while ago.

quanchi112 Disney

How many Celestials here ? Is it just the fourth host or what ?