Dawn of War was penned by C.S. Goto. Lol.
I'm sure everytime he butchers fluff it immediately becomes canon.
Codex >
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Dawn of War was penned by C.S. Goto. Lol.I'm sure everytime he butchers fluff it immediately becomes canon.
Codex >
If its canon, its canon.
Plus aren't codexes typically written as reports?
On Fenris' point, does it say where it took the bolter hits? That quote only mentions its armoured flanks, not the rest of its body.
Also how does tearing a door off its hinges = tearing the door itself? And where does it show a Carnifex resisting a Marine with a chainblade?
The Plasma weapons temp/strength is featles besides a 'miniture sun' statement, nothing besides being effective against heat-proof material. Ifrit has the same deal for being the weakness to Frosts who are impervious to magma. Unknown heat-proof levels < Impervious to magma, Being effective on their armour < Being Forst's weakness. Its hitting with a higher temp and higher Joules(Heat+Dante's amped strength).
i like the underlined "armored flanks" part.
http://store.miniwargaming.com/images/D/tyranid-carnifex-jfoji.jpg
the black bits are "armored flanks". the purple bits? not so armored, are they?
the only real feat of a fex's durability was the ONE report of a SINGLE fex surviving exterminatus. keep in mind, thats only one they saw, out of blasting to hell a whole freakin planet of 'nids. so its not a standard trait to them. as i said, that fex won the lottery. (and then was immediately bombed into paste with a much smaller yield bombardment.)
also.. marnius calgar heard reports of a rogue tyranid fex stomping the shit out a place and sent tellion with one small squad of marines to deal with it. the best weapon they were armed with was a plasma pistol. if fexes were regularly so indestructable, why not arm your marines with stronger shit? they were fex hunting, and fexes CAN be killed with bolters, else they would not have been sent out with such weaponry. they just didnt expect a goddamned hero status fex. (of which, in all the hive fleets, theres only ONE of. so hes not even a good basis for comparing ANY feats)
i also have an issue with the claim that EVERYTHING in 40k is stronger. alot of fortress walls are made of a material they call "rockcrete". hmmmmn.. that sounds suspiciously like concrete to me. everything in 40k is MOAR BADASS. not nessisarily incredibly stronger.
and a hero of the imperiums weapons arent nessisarily stronger in damage than normal weapons. (unless we're talking an emperors champion, or some shit here) often times, its just specially modified and blessed by the tech priests of mars so that, if taken well care of, it will NEVER jam, or fail in the middle of even an extended battle. or at times are just so old, that they're relics of when weapons in the 40k universe werent backasswards. (because most of the weapons in 50k the humans use are sad comparisons to the technology they had before the dark age of technology)
im also iffy on the wraithbone towers. theres nothing thats been shown here to give it any sort of actual stat on how strong it is. other than it being an alien material in the 40k universe. and that the eldar use it to build their craftworlds with. which, i have to say... doesnt prove anything. wraithbone could very well be highly ceremonial and sacred to the eldar. and they DO follow their beliefs VERY seriously. it makes sense they would use it to build their last few homes out of reverence and sacred beliefs, rather than it being amazingly powerful and durable.
i also have to say that there has only been one time in the entire dmc series where dante was serious. and thats when he was fighting the demon king in the underworld. (see; the dmc equivalent to the eye of terror) all of dantes feats (besides his fight with mundus) are dante toying around and generally being an asshat around his enemies. even dante outright blocking the saviors punch and holding it back is a feat he accomplishes because he let it hit him, and also without using any of his devil trigger. and he was barely straining.
im also going to add this.. because it is simply put, the single greatest feat ever for the fex. codex-approved and GW sanctioned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itfnG5DhOxQ
yeah.. i realise its not going to be accepted. but it IS based on the hard GW approved stats of fexes.
then again, sometimes its just badass, like the "bale eye"... which still doesnt do that much damage, but **** YOU REALITY AND COMMON SENSE, HE CAN SHOOT LASERS FROM HIS FACE! O_o..
you've stated this. it has not been proven in anything other than your say so that it is "totally encased in armor". nothing in the canon says that.
its actually in the models themselves when you look up the visual add-ons for biomorphs. look at the bonded exoskeletons, and reinforced chitin. both help to add to toughness and armor.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1037423_4.jpg
bonded exoskeleton.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1037411_14.jpg
reinforced chitin.
both of those work on those dark armored parts of the fex. not the softer, flexible flesh.
all of that still says that the fex is more armored on those darker spots, and less so on the lighter parts. and have you seen a fex charge? it haunches down LOW. the thing it presents is its armored head, shoulders, and claws in CQC. getting under it to its soft fleshier bits usually means getting trampled to death.
so. its NOT invulnerable EVERYWHERE on its body. that codex specifically states ARMORED FLANKS. not underside. not throat. not eyes, not entire body. only the armored bits.
EDIT;
http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Tyranid_Carnifex_4.jpg
LOOK AT THAT! O_o..see how low it is?! what you see is teeth, armor, and blades when it charges you. even the front of its damn legs has those armored bits. thats hard to crack. and i will say that those parts cannot be penetrated by bolter or much else.. but its mouth? the fleshy bits? totally open for damage.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wrong. Dictionary, find one. Flanks =/= "Back", and we've already dispelled this point multiple times. A carnifex' entire body is armoured.
You're right.
It means sides.
But Deathwatch provides a more conclusive verdict on the armour plating of a Carnifex.
In Deathwatch, all of it is armoured, having an armour ranking of 10, slightly higher than powered armour, which fits well within the fluff.
deathwatch... deathwatch... the d&d style rpg where you play as an inquisitor? O_o... thats kind of hard to judge, isnt it? i mean.. they use a whole other scale for damage and stats. hive tyrants have 120 wounds, for example.. or are you referring to something else?
and shin, i dont believe i ever said anything about its back. maybe you misread when i said "black bits" referring to the color of the model.
Originally posted by Matthias FenrisDeathwatch is the game where you play as a member of Deathwatch, the militant arm of the Ordos Xenos consisting of elite Space Marines.
deathwatch... deathwatch... the d&d style rpg where you play as an inquisitor? O_o... thats kind of hard to judge, isnt it? i mean.. they use a whole other scale for damage and stats. hive tyrants have 120 wounds, for example.. or are you referring to something else?
It's not really that different, only expanded.
Carnifexes and Power Armour both have a 3+ save in the tabletop. In Deathwatch, the difference is minor, and Carnifex armour plating is not as durable as Tactical Dreadnought Armour.
But beyond that, it is armoured to that extent everywhere, the arms, the legs, the front, the back, the head, everything. If an armour in the 40k RPGs has different protection on a separate part of the body, it tells you. Carnifexes do not.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You're right.It means sides.
But Deathwatch provides a more conclusive verdict on the armour plating of a Carnifex.
In Deathwatch, all of it is armoured, having an armour ranking of 10, slightly higher than powered armour, which fits well within the fluff.
That sounds a little sketchy as evidence.
Originally posted by NephthysLern2read.
Because it has a 10?
I told you that if something has a different armour value at a separate part of its body, it tells you.
For instance, a Nob in Mega Armour.
It has an AP of 6 at the head, 10 for the arms and legs, and a whopping 14 at the body. The head is the least armoured part (For some Orky reason), the legs are more heavily armoured, and the body is incredibly armoured.
Carnifex has a ten on its entire body.
