hmmn.. luck, eh? that seems to make sense, but im not sure. and cool story with the PeP, bro. but i think thats a laser, and not plasma.
http://physics.about.com/od/glossary/g/plasma.htm
"Flame, lightning, interstellar nebulae, stars, and even the empty vastness of space are all examples of the plasma state of matter."
O_o...
oh, and.. viola.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cyclonic_torpedo
"Though their exact power is unknown, it is thought that they are capable of causing major damage to the structure of a planet."
macro damage. not micro.
and this is interesting.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Carnifex
specifically; "A Carnifex's stampede takes time to build force as their incredible alien musculature strains to propel it forward. As it builds momentum and reaches top speed, the ground shakes with each stride of the monster and foes are scattered or trampled before it, only fortress walls or Super Heavy Tanks have any chance of surviving the ferocious impact."
its own muscles strain to move its own 8-9 ton frame. super heavy tanks (im thinking baneblade) and fortress walls (wraithbone towers?) stand any chance of surviving.
in the games, ive often seen the fex using its own scything talons to help it walk, too. seems alot of that strength is spent keeping itself up. and it really shines when in a charge.
just because one single fex survived exterminatus from a planet being besieged by millions of them does not make it the standard. if that were so, the imperial gaurd could never bring them down. if space marines can also survive exterminatus, how can they still be cut apart by orks with choppas? and how would a single missile crack a fex's skull open? or a plasma pistol melting its face off? lets face it. that fex won the lottery. O_o..
oh, and here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P20NR6cf4-0
hows that for a feat of strength? that thing has ALOT of momentum and mass behind it. enough to easily match the strength of a 15 foot tall fex. and dante stopped it cold. so.. im seeing him able to parry a fex's scything talons again... so with that strength behind his sword arm, im seeing it going in one eye, and out the other. meaning a dead fex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVKGGWQHPs&feature=related
and this opening scene tells me he doesnt even have to even be anywhere close to a fex to slice it in half.
Seen the feat a million times. Seen the numbers behind it, too, ran them myself even. That does not at all compare to a Carnifex's strength.
If Dante tries to parry a scything talon he's getting liquified.
Dante's sword isn't sharp enough, and he's not strong enough to reliably pierce a Carnifex's armour, if at all.
so you're honestly telling me that a 15 foot tall 9 ton creature has more strength in its limbs (after it even states in the very codex that its own muscles strain to propel it into a running charge) than a solid statue hundreds of feet tall, pulling its own weight and momentum to bear into a punch that its putting its entire upper body movement behind it?
O_o. its from the wraithbone tower thingy again, right? how specific is that feat, exactly? can you bring it up exactly as quoted? because after all ive played and seen with fex'es in tabletop and games, ive NEVER seen strength that impressive from one.
so you're honestly telling me that a 15 foot tall 9 ton creature has more strength in its limbs than a solid statue hundreds of feet tall, pulling its own weight and momentum to bear into a punch that its putting its entire upper body movement behind it?
Much more, yes. Let me put it this way:
A space marine was capable of 'quietly' tearing a reinforced plasteel door from it's hinges. How quietly can you tear wood, or even paper? Paper you can do if you're careful. IE, if it's small potatoes to you. This is a casual feat.
Plasteel is much, much more durable than our weaksauce modern steel. But I can look at steel and tell you it has a tensile strength of 400 MPa, to be able to just sort of tear it apart like paper? That's ****ing insanity.
With no math at all, I can look at that and get 400 000 000 N. Put a chainsword in this space marine's hand. You now have 46869141357330333708.2 Pascals of pressure, if he's using the same amount of effort you'd waste on paper.
Now, that isn't likely to go through space marine power armour. Do you know what Carnifexen laugh at? Space marine power armour. They are so physically strong they can rip through it easier than the marine I told you about before tore off that plasteel door.
It gets better! Wraithbone? You know what the spires are made out of, that the Carnifex pushed over? It's more durable than ceramite or even adamantium. haermm The Carnifex is stronger than Dante.
Interestingly, you argue size. Dante is smaller than the fex, and yet strong. The fex is very, very strong.
mmk. ill buy the feats of strength. but i honestly cant see the fex's chitin being too strong, even as its weakest points for dante to get through it. and it may just be the game stats stuck in my head, but i dont see it all adding up properly.
when i look at the tabletop stats of fex vs ultramarine in terminator armor. toughness being what they can shrug off off just fine, by standing out there and them not getting hurt by it, and armor saves as what their strongest and best armor can deflect.. then the terminators armor is actually tougher to punch through than a fex's chitin.. O_o.. and fex shred terminator armor.
it just leaves me scratchin my head as to how the fex in completely invulnerable to dante, period. it can take a massive amount of damage, and it can deal even more damage than it can take, i understand. but its still woundable. and thus, eventually killable. and seeing as how its pretty much the slowest 'nid assault creature, i dont see it hitting dante at all. and eventually hes going to shove enough sharpened metal with his strength into its face, getting said metal into its brain and killing it...
but i honestly cant see the fex's chitin being too strong,
With no math at all, I can look at that and get 400 000 000 N. Put a chainsword in this space marine's hand. You now have 46869141357330333708.2 Pascals of pressure, if he's using the same amount of effort you'd waste on paper.
You see this? This doesn't work on a Carnifex. And to be blunt, it's so ridiculously undershot and lowballed as to be a shadow of the actual feat.
Unless Dante can outdo a chainsword in the hand of a space marine, he legitimately cannot hurt the fex. He'll get tired before he ever wounds it. (Aside from maybe it's eyes, but this is a regen fex so lol.)
When he gets tired, it scatters him to the wind.
Weve seen Chainsaws slice into Fex heads already though, meaning chainsaw>what Dante actually has to beat. Dante still just blows its eyes out at long range with impunity then goes in for a kill, easily dodging its blind assault and impaling it through the blown out eye socket, clickity click, job done.
Weve seen Chainsaws slice into Fex heads already though,We have? Citation, plx.
Dante still just blows its eyes out at long range with impunity then goes in for a kill,It regens.
impaling it through the blown out eye socket,Eyes smaller than his sword, he can't fit it in, and he's not strong enough to pierce it's armour. He achieves nothing.
Fenris showed us in his DoW 2 video.
Maybe evetnaully, your now assuming "regen" means instant? lol....
Armour that does not cover its whole body, also Dante is the owner of Yamato last I looked which is an incredibly fin blade, not just rebellion. Hell he uses pandora lasers to fire into the hole or his Anti material rifle from DMc 3 if its allowed.
DoW is canon.Nope, separate universe, actually.
Where is it contradicted?
IE, contradicted in the same game he took it from.
I should also highlight that RTS combat is never indicative of actual combat anyway. Synch kills aren't cutscenes, either. You have hormagaunts gutting space marine commanders, and deff dreds cutting through wraithbone, ect, lol.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nope, separate universe, actually.DoW2 features a carnifex in the campaign, it's a boss and requires the Force commander and three other officers with their squads to take down, actually.
IE, contradicted in the same game he took it from.
I should also highlight that RTS combat is never indicative of actual combat anyway. Synch kills aren't cutscenes, either. You have hormagaunts gutting space marine commanders, and deff dreds cutting through wraithbone, ect, lol.
Where does it say that? I heard space marine was seperate but Dawn of War? The Main 40k wiki has this to say;
However, it is worth noting that the game Dawn of War, which is part of Warhammer 40,000 official continuity, features Gretchins as base builder/scout units.
I know, how does that counter this sync kill? The fact you have access to those squads (Tarkus, Avitas etc) does not mean anyone cant kill it by doing what the assault marine did.
Neither are all scripted events or quick time events but we use those, sync kills are just as scripted as any of this. Space marines are not invincible, neither are Wraith lords. Also most if not all Eldar weapons are made of wraithbone in some format and Eldar die just like any other race, their not immune to weapons fire.