Originally posted by Sundipped
Not unless Strange conjures up a spell which steals all hammers from their weilder (he's stolen Thor's before).
and a moment later you say thor bfr'ing hulk is unlikely? 😑
i see strange doing that.... pretty much never. 😬
[b[In all of the confrontations between Thor and Hulk, Hulk has never been bfr'ed immediately to my knowledge. Safe to say it won't happen in this case. [/B]
except thor JUST brf'd him into orbit last month... 🙂
if we go into full battle strategies, the match can go a million ways. straight up, unprepped, the thors take this for a heavy majority imo.
did I say minutes? I meant seconds. Surfer + Hulk = instant win.
Hulk himself would vapourise the Thors without any trouble whatsoever (how many "Hercs" was fin fang foom at, when he got wiped out of existence in the Dark Dimension?), given a few moments.
With the Surfer's Power Cosmic, he won't need to do any such thing, just punch/rip their heads off with the board and a ThunderClap to liquefy whatever remains.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankHmph. So I guess Beta Ray Bill has performed a Godblast.
Well, if we're discussing team strategy and tactics:http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/GodBlastSavesMultiverse.jpg
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Originally posted by leonidas
and a moment later you say thor bfr'ing hulk is unlikely? 😑i see strange doing that.... pretty much never. 😬
except thor JUST brf'd him into orbit last month... 🙂
if we go into full battle strategies, the match can go a million ways. straight up, unprepped, the thors take this for a heavy majority imo.
Really, it doesn't even matter if they bfr Hulk. The Eye would allow Steven to bring him back from "wherever". They might as well duke it out with him.
I agree it could go either way but to the Defenders for a majority imo. Strange is the key. There's no answer for him on team Thor. Surfer and Hulk can hold their own. Namor, not that much of a factor can still pitch in.
you're assuming strange has a lot of time on his hands. he also tires very quickly. i find strange enormously overrated (skurge and enchantress have had him dead, loki has proven to be a peer on a couple occasions). if we stick to just high showings, strange could be a threat. collectively however they would be too much for him without prep or pis. if they bfr'd hulk, strange would be far too busy imo to do anything about it.
i do agree that they could take a couple, but i can't see the defenders taking more than 2/10.
Originally posted by janus77
did I say minutes? I meant seconds. Surfer + Hulk = instant win.Hulk himself would vapourise the Thors without any trouble whatsoever (how many "Hercs" was fin fang foom at, when he got wiped out of existence in the Dark Dimension?), given a few moments.
With the Surfer's Power Cosmic, he won't need to do any such thing, just punch/rip their heads off with the board and a ThunderClap to liquefy whatever remains.
Originally posted by leonidas
you're assuming strange has a lot of time on his hands. he also tires very quickly. i find strange enormously overrated (skurge and enchantress have had him dead, loki has proven to be a peer on a couple occasions). if we stick to just high showings, strange could be a threat. collectively however they would be too much for him without prep or pis. if they bfr'd hulk, strange would be far too busy imo to do anything about it.i do agree that they could take a couple, but i can't see the defenders taking more than 2/10.
When has Strange ever tired quickly? Steven's not overated. He has the feats to prove it. Yeah we can sit here and single out PIS/low end feats/borderline embarassments if you will, but as they say "the good outweigh the bad".
No one on this team is going to be able to cope with a being capable of stalemating infinity gems/punking abstracts etc.
Defenders vs. a team with everyone having basically the same powerset/abilities. Shouldn't be hard to figure out.
Originally posted by Sundipped
When has Strange ever tired quickly? Steven's not overated. He has the feats to prove it. Yeah we can sit here and single out PIS/low end feats/borderline embarassments if you will, but as they say "the good outweigh the bad".No one on this team is going to be able to cope with a being capable of stalemating infinity gems/punking abstracts etc.
Defenders vs. a team with everyone having basically the same powerset/abilities. Shouldn't be hard to figure out.
strange became exhausted shielding from hulk. he was exhausted after being beat on by amora and skurge. high level spells OFTEN tired him out. people pounding on his shields can and has tired him out.
steve IS overrated. the majority of his 'big' feats are done with prep or pis--ie--the oft-cited stalemating of the 'gems'. he had gathered all the most powerful items he could find and briefly stalemated each gem individually. given how much prep he had and what he gathered, not much of a feat tbh. he briefly went 1on1 with inbetweener but did nothing to him. not really sure what other abstracts you are talking about that he 'punked' with no prep or pis but i'd be interested in hearing about them. a fully prepped strange AND doom were nearly killed by mephisto and just made it out of hell alive.
a lot of the respect thread is missing context and is misleading.
Originally posted by leonidas
strange became exhausted shielding from hulk. he was exhausted after being beat on by amora and skurge. high level spells OFTEN tired him out. people pounding on his shields can and has tired him out.steve IS overrated. the majority of his 'big' feats are done with prep or pis--ie--the oft-cited stalemating of the 'gems'. he had gathered all the most powerful items he could find and briefly stalemated each gem individually. given how much prep he had and what he gathered, not much of a feat tbh. he briefly went 1on1 with inbetweener but did nothing to him. not really sure what other abstracts you are talking about that he 'punked' with no prep or pis but i'd be interested in hearing about them. a fully prepped strange AND doom were nearly killed by mephisto and just made it out of hell alive.
a lot of the respect thread is missing context and is misleading.
Hulk continously pounded on a shield aroud Steven's house, not even him and it withstood the assault just fine. High level spells may tire him out but they often get the job done. I guess we're not going to mention the shields put up against Death/Deathurge/Galactus/Dormammu. Only the ones you wanna point out? 😬
Yeah he used prep but everything he used vs. the IG was his to use. It's part of his powerset. You're not impressed but it is what it is. He did do something to IB. He called on support from Lord Chaos and Master Order to back him. Another one of his abilities (evoking other entities). You want to bring up the Mephisto incident but Steven has also absorbed enough energy to defeat a demon of the highest order then had to go dimension hoping to let off the excess energy because it was enough to destroy galaxies. Every low showing (if that's what you wanna call it) can be countered by a high one. Every character has them so why bother picking feats.
Nothing is misleading about Strange. All you have to do is understand what he is and what he's capable of. And what he is capable of, is defeating this team with help from the other Defenders.
Originally posted by leonidas
strange became exhausted shielding from hulk. he was exhausted after being beat on by amora and skurge. high level spells OFTEN tired him out. people pounding on his shields can and has tired him out.steve IS overrated. the majority of his 'big' feats are done with prep or pis--ie--the oft-cited stalemating of the 'gems'. he had gathered all the most powerful items he could find and briefly stalemated each gem individually. given how much prep he had and what he gathered, not much of a feat tbh. he briefly went 1on1 with inbetweener but did nothing to him. not really sure what other abstracts you are talking about that he 'punked' with no prep or pis but i'd be interested in hearing about them. a fully prepped strange AND doom were nearly killed by mephisto and just made it out of hell alive.
a lot of the respect thread is missing context and is misleading.
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People don't want to hear about that because it shatters the preconceived notion of "classic" Strange. With context and without PIS and prep time, he's nowhere near the level people place him on.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Hulk continously pounded on a shield aroud Steven's house, not even him and it withstood the assault just fine. High level spells may tire him out but they often get the job done. I guess we're not going to mention the shields put up against Death/Deathurge/Galactus/Dormammu. Only the ones you wanna point out? 😬
and you want to forget about all the times his shields have been shattered. it is EASILY within reason that an amped hammer toss would shatter his shields and ko him. 😬
Yeah he used prep but everything he used vs. the IG was his to use. It's part of his powerset.
huh? no it's not. not for this thread, not for any forum battle where he has no prep.
You're not impressed but it is what it is.
not really given the forum speak about strange. thing is, i used to love strange--like i used to love thanos. i stil like both, but forum speak and overhype does NOT do them credit.
He did do something to IB. He called on support from Lord Chaos and Master Order to back him. Another one of his abilities (evoking other entities).
they let him use their power to defeat IB. they woudln't do that here. the usual entities he calls on are pretty common and he only calls on the big boys rarely and with pis/special circumstances.
You want to bring up the Mephisto incident but Steven has also absorbed enough energy to defeat a demon of the highest order then had to go dimension hoping to let off the excess energy because it was enough to destroy galaxies.
scans?
Every low showing (if that's what you wanna call it) can be countered by a high one. Every character has them so why bother picking feats.
you're the one who said he's punked abstracts 1on1. THAT kind of talk is simply false and misleading. he has won some battles due to prep or pis. a LOT of battles. i ask again--unprepped, no pis, which absratc has he punked? you kow he's been ko'd MULTIPLE times by a LOT of characters right? like any character he's got some high showings, some good ones. but no, he does not go punking abstracts, skyfathers or heralds with regularity. if you feel different, show some scans to prove it.
Nothing is misleading about Strange.
then it should be easy to prove your claims.
All you have to do is understand what he is and what he's capable of. And what he is capable of, is defeating this team with help from the other Defenders. [/B]
capable? with help? that's a far cry from absract killer strange. i agree with the last statement, ftr. i just don't see them doing it for the majority.
Originally posted by leonidas
and you want to forget about all the times his shields have been shattered. it is EASILY within reason that an amped hammer toss would shatter his shields and ko him. 😬
Like I said earlier, we can sit here and cherrypick feats all day. Steve has more strong showings than bad 1's. Why wouldn't he put on a strong show vs. Thor? He does it more often than not. A simple hammer toss will fail. You ignore his shields best showings and say not only will the shield shatter but it would also ko him?? shock
originally posted by leonidas
huh? no it's not. not for this thread, not for any forum battle where he has no prep.
He won't even need any of that in this case. I was just pointing out what he's capable of with all of his[/] artifacts.
[i]originally posted by leonidas
not really given the forum speak about strange. thing is, i used to love strange--like i used to love thanos. i stil like both, but forum speak and overhype does NOT do them credit.
I like both but this is no hype. These are facts. Illustrated on panel.
originally posted by leonidas
they let him use their power to defeat IB. they woudln't do that here. the usual entities he calls on are pretty common and he only calls on the big boys rarely and with pis/special circumstances.
I was responding to you saying Steve didn't do anything but he did. Just the simple fact that he can call on the big boys makes him a threat to this entire team.Would being able to stalemate energy projection from a LT backed IB for 2 pages (no prep) mean anything to you. It should.
originally posted by leonidas
scans?
As you can see he was already amped + absorbed more energy from combat as stated on panel. So much that he's involuntarily emmiting energy in intense bursts.
originally posted by leonidas
you're the one who said he's punked abstracts 1on1. THAT kind of talk is simply false and misleading. he has won some battles due to prep or pis. a LOT of battles. i ask again--unprepped, no pis, which absratc has he punked? you kow he's been ko'd MULTIPLE times by a LOT of characters right? like any character he's got some high showings, some good ones. but no, he does not go punking abstracts, skyfathers or heralds with regularity. if you feel different, show some scans to prove it. then it should be easy to prove your claims.
No prep involved when he punked Death. Death was outraged with Steven after trading attacks.
"You/Galactus/even accursed Eternity are not worth the supreme effort it would take."
No prep he raped Big G with tp.
Reed - "he is only moments from death"
originally posted by leonidas
capable? with help? that's a far cry from absract killer strange. i agree with the last statement, ftr. i just don't see them doing it for the majority.
I never said Steve killed the abstracts. 😕
You keep saying team Thor for the majority but how? And please don't say Thor hits Steven with Mjlnor.
