I am confused as to what makes Strange above Thor
Call it ABC, but when the on par Loki with vastly superiour physical stats can't take Thor, obviously the guy who gets one-hitter-quittered constantly, will...
I am still confused at Strange hype. What is it based on exactly? Why is he above Thor? Because he briefly stalemated IB and then got one shotted? Because IB toyed with him, and then Strange with help defeated him using a weakness? He defeated Death in a way no way relevant to Thor?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I wonder why I was under the impression that you were a Dr. Strange supporter.
shrug
i think bran and i are of the same mindset--strange is tough, but he has NOT been consistently portrayed above high hberald--at all. AND he has displayed far more weaknesses and vulnerabilities than most high heralds.
i LIKE strange. i think strange is AWESOME. i think people who claim strange is consistently trans or can wipe out all high herlads do strange a massive disservice. i'd counter sundips points, but i don't really see the effort as being productive. 😬
what about you odg--strange or thor? just curious.
^ Not that I think you're downplaying him, but Strange's reputation isn't entirely unearned.
Originally posted by leonidasI think when the odds are extremely against Dr. Strange, he's able to take his sorcery to another level that beggars description. But when he's pitted against guys who are Thor/Loki/Dr. Doom level, he just... struggles.
shrugi think bran and i are of the same mindset--strange is tough, but he has NOT been consistently portrayed above high hberald--at all. AND he has displayed far more weaknesses and vulnerabilities than most high heralds.
i LIKE strange. i think strange is AWESOME. i think people who claim strange is consistently trans or can wipe out all high herlads do strange a massive disservice. i'd counter sundips points, but i don't really see the effort as being productive. 😬
what about you odg--strange or thor? just curious.
I've read every Defenders issue. So I'd like to think I fully appreciate how many times he's been ktfo. But his high feats are that impressive. I think I'd have to call it a split 5/10 between Strange and Thor to balance it out.
But I know that you can argue against that both ways very easily. And because of that I don't really care to defend that opinion.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Not that I think you're downplaying him, but Strange's reputation isn't entirely unearned.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Not that I think you're downplaying him, but Strange's reputation isn't entirely unearned. I think when the odds are extremely against Dr. Strange, he's able to take his sorcery to another level that beggars description. But when he's pitted against guys who are Thor/Loki/Dr. Doom level, he just... struggles.I've read every Defenders issue. So I'd like to think I fully appreciate how many times he's been ktfo. But his high feats are that impressive. I think I'd have to call it a split 5/10 between Strange and Thor to balance it out.
But I know that you can argue against that both ways very easily. And because of that I don't really care to defend that opinion.
pretty much sums up my opinion perfectly. reason i pick the corps is because of numbers and because i do NOT think strange outcalsses this group as much as some do.
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Originally posted by leonidas
shrugi think bran and i are of the same mindset--strange is tough, but he has NOT been consistently portrayed above high hberald--at all. AND he has displayed far more weaknesses and vulnerabilities than most high heralds.
i LIKE strange. i think strange is AWESOME. i think people who claim strange is consistently trans or can wipe out all high herlads do strange a massive disservice. i'd counter sundips points, but i don't really see the effort as being productive. 😬
what about you odg--strange or thor? just curious.
So you don't think Strange is beyond high herald huh?
So restraining Juggs + encasing Hulk and Surfer with words/gestures to the point where they can't do anything means nothing? mmm I beg to differ.
Sorry but anyone who thinks Classic Steve won't smash any high herald barring PIS is insane.
This is your prob leo:
First you stated most high feats required prep. I gave you non prep feats.
Then you pointed out plot induced showings which weren't even low showings and I dismissed those.
I asked you to prove a few claims but I got no answers at all.
Now all of a sudden you say you would counter my points, but it wouldn't be productive?
facepalm I'm done.
Originally posted by Sundipped
So you don't think Strange is beyond high herald huh?
So restraining Juggs + encasing Hulk and Surfer with words/gestures to the point where they can't do anything means nothing? mmm I beg to differ.
where?
Sorry but anyone who thinks Classic Steve won't smash any high herald barring PIS is insane.
apparently most.
Then you pointed out plot induced showings which weren't even low showings and I dismissed those.
wut? you.... didn't dismiss anything. 😐
I asked you to prove a few claims but I got no answers at all.
huh? like what?
Now all of a sudden you say you would counter my points, but it wouldn't be productive?
facepalm I'm done. [/B]
yeah, we'll not see eye-to-eye on strange ever, but i don't get your above points at all......
Originally posted by Sundipped
So you don't think Strange is beyond high herald huh?
So restraining Juggs + encasing Hulk and Surfer with words/gestures to the point where they can't do anything means nothing? mmm I beg to differ.
Didn't Cytorakk encase Juggs? Because Juggs sort of almost broke Strange's back. Been a while though.
He's stopped Hulk with some sleeping spells, and BFR'ed him. Scans of encasing him?
That wasn't even the real Surfer, and he broke out anyway (of both spells meant to stop him), and Strange ended up getting taken out after he jumped in front of an attack to save a girl.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Didn't Cytorakk encase Juggs? Because Juggs sort of almost broke Strange's back. Been a while though.He's stopped Hulk with some sleeping spells, and BFR'ed him. Scans of encasing him?
That wasn't even the real Surfer, and he broke out anyway (of both spells meant to stop him), and Strange ended up getting taken out after he jumped in front of an attack to save a girl.
Steve took 2 hits and still got up. He commented that he's slower in Cytorakk's realm. It looked like it hurt but his durability is good, even without a shield. Cytorakk snared him with it but Steve maintained the bands.
Steve encased Hulk in Hulk #207. When he tried to leap, the ball dropped straight to the ground.
As far as Surfer goes it's not a stretch to say that Steve could encase him (although it may not hold him long) and bfr him. Can't see anything Surfer could really do to him.
Originally posted by leonidas
where?apparently most.
wut? you.... didn't dismiss anything. 😐
huh? like what?
yeah, we'll not see eye-to-eye on strange ever, but i don't get your above points at all......
confused1 Umm....you might wanna go back and reread pages 1-3.
I would counter your points but I really don't see the effort as being productive. LOL.
Originally posted by Sundipped
As far as Surfer goes it's not a stretch to say that Steve could encase him (although it may not hold him long) and bfr him. Can't see anything Surfer could really do to him.
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so.... THIS:
encasing Surfer with words/gestures
never really happened.....? but COULD? 👆
are those the kinds of things you asked me to 'prove'? because i can make stuff up too and say it WOULD happen. i went back through the thread and near as i can tell everything you required 'proof' for i (and bran) showed you. your reply--all the instances were pis. i can't really help that, nor can i help the way you only want to look at the highest end feats.
in which case, every battle thor was in where he did NOT soul suck or godblast someone is also pis since we only look at the highest showings. thor is therefore a galactus killing, skyfather beating trans/skyfather level hero.
works for me. 🙂
Originally posted by JakeTheBankgodblast is so overrated
Word up.Defenders get blown to hell by a four man multiversal effecting Godblast which the Thor Corps can perform in mere seconds.
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it is virtually useless against a mobile foe as it requires the user to be virtually stationary and it has long enough a charge time that anyone with some speed can easily avoid it
Originally posted by Starscream M
godblast is so overratedit is virtually useless against a mobile foe as it requires the user to be virtually stationary and it has long enough a charge time that anyone with some speed can easily avoid it
Yah.
Which is why it's cool the Thor Corps have displayed using a Godblast which they literally did in seconds, which is more than fast enough to obliterate the Defenders.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Steve took 2 hits and still got up. He commented that he's slower in Cytorakk's realm. It looked like it hurt but his durability is good, even without a shield. Cytorakk snared him with it but Steve maintained the bands.
wut? so your scan shows him holding an already handled juggs and shows nothing of him doing...... anything else? AND in your first post you made it sound like it was STRANGE that dealt with him, when it was really cyttorak? 😑
c'mon man..... it's EXACTLY that type of out of context hype that i'm talking about with strange and you just did EXACTLY that. and you took offense when i said i didn't think the discussion would be productive? as i said--you keep your views, i'll keep mine......
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Word up.Defenders get blown to hell by a four man multiversal effecting Godblast which the Thor Corps can perform in mere seconds.
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Originally posted by Starscream M
are the defenders just standing there, not moving? godblast cannot hit a small moving target
If the Thor Corps perform that Godblast as shown in that scan pages ago, it really doesn't matter. It was done as soon as soon as the hammers collided and the scope of the blast effected reality on a multiversal scale. Further more, said blast was a continous surge of energy, not just a single discharge. You're kidding yourself if you think the Defenders would survive it once the Thor Corps performed the attack.
Regardless, the Godblast from the Thor Corps was only brought up after some outlandish and equally unlikely methods of the Defenders winning this was brought up. Leo and Bran already said what needed to be said involving Classic Strange's feats.
